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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    Well Moot,

    I can honestly only think of two reasons.

    1) they believe what his paternal grandmother said about being there during his birth in Kenya, or what his literary agent put up ... that he was born in kenya... Personally, I think it was Obama trying to make himself look more worldly to his literary agent, and he fibbed to her, or she did it as a way to make the young author more interesting... either way... as far as his grandmother apparently THAT was a mistake in translation ... somehow... I speak multiple languages, unfortunately none of them are african... though I must say I am not sure how someone mistranslates that, but since I dont speak that language I will have to acquiesce.
    First of all, that wasn't his paternal grandmother, but his grandfathers second wife so she couldn't have been there at his birth and secondly she was deliberately misquoted. So "they" are spreading a lie.



    2) They like poking dems with a sharp stick, and know that particular stick is both very pointy, and annoying.
    Actually, they are racists. How's that for a sharp stick?

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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    as near as I can tell, we don't. mostly we just call him "the failure" unless we are making light of the incredible self-image the man has, in which case we call him "the One". there is a small subset of cranks who believe he wasn't born an american citizen; they make up a smaller portion of the electorate than the subset of cranks before them who believed that George Bush was behind 9/11; and they flow from similar stock.
    I've seen several people on this forum refer to Obama as Kenyan. They do so to emphazise that he is black. They're not a subset, they're tea party conservatives just like the ones mentioned in this link.....

    Unfortunately, this is not the first time the Tea Party has invoked racism towards people of color. It has actually become a relatively frequent occurrence that the Tea Party has put little effort to abolish. At nearly every Tea Party rally, there have been several racist placards including possible undertones such as "I want my country back," depictions of President Barack Obama as an African witch doctor, pictures of Steve Erckel's body under Obama’s head, portrayal of the First Lady Michelle Obama as an ape, suggestions of lynching stating “Hang em high!,” as well as signs stating “The American taxpayers are the Jews for Obama’s oven,” “Obama’s plan — white slavery,” “Obamaconomics chains you can believe in,” “Obama — what you talkin about Willis!...,” “…Kenyan tries to destroy America…homey don’t play dat,” “Obamanomics — monkey see, monkey do,” “The zoo has an African and the white house has a lyin’ African,” “no ‘voo-doo' medicine!!,” “somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot” and the list goes on with probably one of the worst by a Tea Party member who operated their official website holding a sign stating “Congress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar.” Although not every member carries racist signs, the amount that is seen is in excess and the members of the Tea Party who see these signs usually do not voice much of an opposition against them.


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    On the contrary, we don't talk that much about his parentage at all.
    Who do you think you're kidding?

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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    First of all, that wasn't his paternal grandmother, but his grandfathers second wife so she couldn't have been there at his birth and secondly she was deliberately misquoted. So "they" are spreading a lie.



    Actually, they are racists. How's that for a sharp stick?
    I am not sure exactly HOW that makes them racist... but ok...

    I personally don't buy that he was born outside of Hawaii... I have reason to think the documents he has provided are fake just to keep the "Birthers" alive, but that's just me.

    as an aside ... do you sleep? LOL
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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    I am not sure exactly HOW that makes them racist... but ok...

    I personally don't buy that he was born outside of Hawaii... I have reason to think the documents he has provided are fake just to keep the "Birthers" alive, but that's just me.
    You have reason? What reason would that possibly be, Schutzengel?


    as an aside ... do you sleep? LOL
    I'm a night owl. It's a bad habit I got from staying up all night to meet deadlines. lol

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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You have reason? What reason would that possibly be, Schutzengel?


    I'm a night owl. It's a bad habit I got from staying up all night to meet deadlines. lol
    I think he likes keeping the birthers around, they make an easy target... I can't think of any other reason do release the documents he did...

    I am a computer professional so I know OCR will do a lot of that... but you would think that they would look at the PDF and realize that if they released it "as is" it would cause a gigantic stir, and I think that was exactly what he wants... he wants a dog to beat... and the birthers are happy to wag that tail.
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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I've seen several people on this forum refer to Obama as Kenyan. They do so to emphazise that he is black.
    if your evidence for a significant portion of the conservative movement is a few posters on DP.....

    They're not a subset, they're tea party conservatives just like the ones mentioned in this link.
    they may be supporters of the Tea Party, that does not mean that the Tea Party supports their other views, any more than it meant that the anti-war crowd all believed that Jews were behind 9/11 because some of their membership did. Tea Partiers aren't upset with Obama because they think he's secretly kenyan, they are more likely to be upset with Obama because they think he's secretly a socialist.

    I realize this may be hard for those representing the Identity Group Party to understand but.... we don't care. We. Do. Not. Care. We aren't about identity, we are about ideology.

    Who do you think you're kidding?
    I spend a good chunk of my day skimming with one eye on conservative news. WSJ, National Review, etc; I get a daily newsletter half of whose function is just to summarize the best of the days conservative blogs. If we were running around talking about how "kenyan" the President is, I'd be one of the ones doing it, or I'd be reading them.

    We. Just. Do. Not. Really. Care. That. His. Father. Was. From. Africa. We care a lot about thinks like welfare, obamacare, the deficit, defense, etc. But identity politics is the strategy of your side, not ours.

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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    if your evidence for a significant portion of the conservative movement is a few posters on DP.....
    What factors have you identified to indicate that the DP right-wing is in fact not representative of the "conservative movement" as a whole? Can you suggest any such factors?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    they may be supporters of the Tea Party, that does not mean that the Tea Party supports their other views, any more than it meant that the anti-war crowd all believed that Jews were behind 9/11 because some of their membership did. Tea Partiers aren't upset with Obama because they think he's secretly kenyan, they are more likely to be upset with Obama because they think he's secretly a socialist.
    As if the "socialist" belief were any more rational than the "kenyan" belief. Why not just admit that the whole lot of these people is absolutely loopy.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I realize this may be hard for those representing the Identity Group Party to understand but.... we don't care. We. Do. Not. Care. We aren't about identity, we are about ideology.
    LOL! All you have is that ideology. There is nothing that rationally supports or emanates from it.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I spend a good chunk of my day skimming with one eye on conservative news. WSJ, National Review, etc; I get a daily newsletter half of whose function is just to summarize the best of the days conservative blogs. If we were running around talking about how "kenyan" the President is, I'd be one of the ones doing it, or I'd be reading them.
    So for how many years did you in fact do that? Would computer forensics reveal multiple links to Orly Taitz on your hard drive?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    We care a lot about thinks like welfare, obamacare, the deficit, defense, etc.
    If you did, you would be able to discuss them in a far more rational manner. Instead, what you call debate consists far too often of just one fact-independent mass after another of pure emotional glop and bluster. Skin in the game...death panels...Zimbabwe. These sorts of things make it appear that you don't care about issues at all, but are rather being led around like a bull with a ring through his nose by a bunch or right-wing propaganda-meisters.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    But identity politics is the strategy of your side, not ours.
    That claim has been bunk since the first Democrat was called a "tax-and-spend liberal". Slime-And-Smear® is a Republican brand. See also Swiftboating®...

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