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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    What is interesting is that conservatives are the ones accused of racism while it is libs that always bring race up. The reality is conservatives see us all as Americans and base their politics on what is good for America is good for all Americans, the "rising tide lifts all boats" theory. Libs on the other hand break people into every little group they can come up with, blacks, Latinos, poor, rich, women, men and try to pit us all against each other, the "divide and conquer" theory.

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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No. The first time you do it, it might be innocuous enough if you truly don't know that it will be perceived as racist. But when you KNOW that many minorities find it offensive and you continue to do it anyway, then you clearly DON'T respect them or their views.
    I respect your opinion on the matter, though I'm forced to disagree since more whites use food stamps then blacks. Anyway, have a good evening.
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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Then why don't the Democrats turn on the mind-control technique on every other voting bloc too?
    You haven't heard of the war on women? How Hispanics need to punish their "enemies"?

    Huh? Why would driving a pickup truck be racist?
    well, you tell me. or maybe we should ask kieth olbermann.

    the reason we think that the race card has become ridiculous, and the reason why it has become a national joke is because it has been endlessly played by leftists bereft of any other strategy. Wolf has been cried often enough to no legitimate purpose and with no evidence.

    so far in this election we saw "the GOP Abuses the Middle Class", and that didn't work. Then the GOP Hated Women, and that didn't work. Then Paul Ryan became the VP pick and Democrats salivated that they'd be able to run on The GOP Hates Old People, but it turned out they were critically vulnerable on the medicare front themselves. So I guess we shouldn't be astonished that we are headed into the time of The GOP Hates Black People. Saddened, perhaps; but not surprised. Old dogs like Matthews rarely learn new tricks.

    John Kerry received 56% of the Asian-American vote, and Barack Obama received 62% of the Asian-American vote. But in any case, this is nothing like the 90+ percent of African-Americans which vote Democrat.
    Good point. Democrats just hate senior white males. Kandahar, why do you hate people based on their age, gender, and race?

    That might explain a SLIGHT partisan gap on the part of any voting bloc. It does not explain a 95-5 (or more) voting gap. When a party can't reliably get more than 5% of the vote of an entire race of people, perhaps it's time to consider the possibility that there is something wrong with the party rather than the voters.
    so let me get this straight. your defense of the evidence-free charge that to talk about welfare reform and food stamps is racist is that black people vote overwhelmingly democrat?

    Has he claimed that blacks have been brainwashed by Democrats? If so, then yes, that's racist. But it's not like Herman Cain's target audience is black people anyway.
    so you argue that herman cain is racist against black people because he claims that many african americans have been brainwashed by the democrat party?

    I would like to see Republicans do better among black voters too...it isn't good for the health of our democracy for one party to be so utterly alienating to an entire race of people.
    Me as well, there is significant overlap between the Republican party and the african american populace; from social conservatism to education reform. But we also have a party who is very good and very practiced at convincing the african american populace that that party is racist.

    which is stupid. people racially biased against blacks wouldn't hold up Allen West as a hero and rush to defend even his more incideniary comments. there are too many notable african americans in the conservative movement who are accepted and championed not because they are a token but because of their ideology and ability to express it. Today there is only one party who seeks to judge people by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character, and that is the party which seeks to racially divide us in order to ensure that minorities remain in its' camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You haven't heard of the war on women? How Hispanics need to punish their "enemies"?
    I've heard of that. Women...Hispanics...gays...blacks. The list goes on. Republicans are in fact behind all wars on minorities and do indeed need to be punished for it. They know it, too. This is why they have to go after organizations like ACORN and raise stupid Chicken Little alarms about non-exidstent voter fraud in simple attempts to suppress minority voting. Despicable bunch, the Republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Why are Blacks, Hispanics and minorities considered lazy ? What it is that qualifies the word lazy in that regard.
    It is called a stereotype. You are too young to remember Reagan and his "Welfare Queen"? Republicans have been milking it ever since.
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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It is called a stereotype. You are too young to remember Reagan and his "Welfare Queen"? Republicans have been milking it ever since.
    Yup, even though the press (still a semi-respectable bunch back then) tracked down the actual woman he was refering to and found that her circumstances were plainly not what Reagan had descibed them as. Even the prototype was a fraud in this case, but Republcians don't care. Never let a good lie go to waste.

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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    It is called a stereotype. You are too young to remember Reagan and his "Welfare Queen"? Republicans have been milking it ever since.
    My question can be called "teasing the truth" out of a poster as to why they would use racial epitaphs, stereotypes, innuendo and unfounded derisive comments about any group; racial, ethnic or otherwise.
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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You haven't heard of the war on women? How Hispanics need to punish their "enemies"?
    Well why don't Democrats just do it to white males too, and win every election with 95% of the vote? Why do you suppose some groups are more susceptible to this kind of brainwashing than others?

    well, you tell me. or maybe we should ask kieth olbermann.
    I really have no idea what the pick up truck comment was about; I almost never watch Keith Olbermann as I find him incredibly obnoxious. Is he even still on the air?

    the reason we think that the race card has become ridiculous, and the reason why it has become a national joke is because it has been endlessly played by leftists bereft of any other strategy. Wolf has been cried often enough to no legitimate purpose and with no evidence.
    If it's just a matter of crying wolf, then Republicans would be doing better than 5% among black voters. Some of them would see through the ruse, just like any other voting bloc.

    Good point. Democrats just hate senior white males. Kandahar, why do you hate people based on their age, gender, and race?
    A few key differences between Democrats doing poorly among senior white males, and Republicans doing poorly among blacks:

    1) Democrats don't really do THAT poorly among senior white males. I don't know if any exit polls get that specific, but I'd bet they still get 30-40% of that vote. Far more than the 0-5% of the black vote Republicans receive.
    2) Democrats have plenty of senior white males among their ranks; probably at least half of Democratic senators fall into that category.
    3) Democrats talk about issues that senior white males actually care about (e.g. Medicare, social security). Those voters might not always agree with the policy prescriptions the Democrats offer, but at least the Democrats listen to them and make an effort to address their concerns. Contrast that with the Republican approach to black voters, which is basically to tell them that either their concerns are completely invalid, or that they've been brainwashed by the Democrats, or that they're only imagining that the Republican Party doesn't have their best interests at heart.
    4) Democrats don't regularly use coded language specifically to malign senior white males, then continue doing it after they get called on it.

    So no, your example is NOT the same. The fact that some voting blocs are more Democratic or Republican than an exact 50-50 split isn't in itself evidence of any animosity of the party toward those voters. But a 95-5 partisan split, combined with complaints of rhetoric and policies that hurt the group in question, combined with strident denials and refusal to change on the part of the party in question, would certainly suggest that.

    so let me get this straight. your defense of the evidence-free charge that to talk about welfare reform and food stamps is racist is that black people vote overwhelmingly democrat?
    I'm saying that the fact that blacks perceive these debates as racially charged, combined with the Republican insistence on continuing the same line of attack ANYWAY, combined with the electoral results of overwhelming black disaffection with the Republican Party, points to that conclusion.

    so you argue that herman cain is racist against black people because he claims that many african americans have been brainwashed by the democrat party?
    I'm not familiar with Herman Cain's comments. But if he's going on about black people being brainwashed, then yes, that's absolutely racist, as it calls into question the intelligence or critical thinking abilities of an entire race of people.

    Me as well, there is significant overlap between the Republican party and the african american populace; from social conservatism to education reform. But we also have a party who is very good and very practiced at convincing the african american populace that that party is racist.
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    Perhaps it's because the Republicans don't bother to talk to black voters about their views on social issues or education reform. Instead, they want to talk about the "food stamp president" and enact odious voter ID laws.

    which is stupid. people racially biased against blacks wouldn't hold up Allen West as a hero and rush to defend even his more incideniary comments.
    This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what racism is. It's not necessarily an outright hatred of black people. There is nothing inconsistent at all about being racist and defending a black person's comments, or even voting for a black person. There are plenty of racist Democrats who peddle the "I'm not racist because I voted for Obama" crap, which is just the newest variant on "I'm not racist because I have a black friend." This is especially true if the person has reason to see the black politician as an EXCEPTION to the stereotypes of his race.
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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what racism is. It's not necessarily an outright hatred of black people. There is nothing inconsistent at all about being racist and defending a black person's comments, or even voting for a black person. There are plenty of racist Democrats who peddle the "I'm not racist because I voted for Obama" crap, which is just the newest variant on "I'm not racist because I have a black friend." This is especially true if the person has reason to see the black politician as an EXCEPTION to the stereotypes of his race.
    Pretty much all of that was very well put, but I particularly liked the part above. People desperately seek to deny their own racism. Maybe this will help some to think a little more about that.

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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    My question can be called "teasing the truth" out of a poster as to why they would use racial epitaphs, stereotypes, innuendo and unfounded derisive comments about any group; racial, ethnic or otherwise.
    Hey, hey, hey, don't for one minute think that I'm the one promoting and using such stereo types or the southern strategy. If you'd just read the damn links I had provided maybe you'd better understand what wtf I'm talking about instead of jumping to false conclusions.

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