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  • Everything would be remarkably better

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  • We'd be ten times worse off

    3 13.04%
  • We'd be involved in more wars, but economy would be much better

    3 13.04%
  • DODT would still be in effect

    9 39.13%
  • Dem would win 2012 election with little challenge

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    100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    If John McCain had won in 2008 where would America be today?

    unemployment
    stock market
    economy
    housing
    health care
    education
    political divisiveness
    military engagement in Middle East

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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If John McCain had won in 2008 where would America be today?

    unemployment
    stock market
    economy
    housing
    health care
    education
    political divisiveness
    military engagement in Middle East

    • Unemployment: I'd like to think that McCain would have held a big business summit at the White House and asked "the experts" what the government could do to stimulate the economy.
    • Stock Market: I don't see it making much difference.
    • Economy: See Unemployment.
    • Housing: I'd like to think that McCain's administration would have done more for the homeowner. Obama's done nothing effective.
    • Healthcare: We wouldn't have the ACA. (I would regret that.)
    • Education: No idea.
    • Political Divisiveness: Since we wouldn't have the ACA, I think we'd have had less divisiveness. Republicans in the House and Senate got rightfully pissed with the administration's "down your throats" style.
    • Military Engagement in the Middle East: I think we'd be out of Iraq. I think the Administration would have taken a hard look at the Rules of Engagement in Afghanistan and, possibly, many civilian and military casualties would have been avoided. Oh. And OBL would still be dead.
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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If John McCain had won in 2008 where would America be today?

    unemployment
    stock market
    economy
    housing
    health care
    education
    political divisiveness
    military engagement in Middle East
    In nearly the same place we are now. We'd probably even have a similar version of healthcare reform, to be honest.
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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    **** would still be the same.
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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If John McCain had won in 2008 where would America be today?

    unemployment
    stock market
    economy
    housing
    All of those would be remarkably similar.


    health care
    I would not be surprised if a major health care plan would have been passed, but it would have been probably quite different. Too many variables to say for sure what it would have looked like or if it would be better or not, or even for sure it would have happened.

    education
    political divisiveness
    military engagement in Middle East
    All pretty similar.
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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    I believe things would be better partisan wise considerably. I dont believe the teaparty would have been as successful nor would there be as much stonewalling. I do not believe there would be any health care at all. The economy would be the same as well as unemployment...if there was an improvement it wouldnt be because of what McCain did it would be that the rich corporatists were cooperating more and not holding back to destroy obama..

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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    unemployment
    stock market
    economy
    This might surprise some people, but I think these things would all be slightly better if McCain had won. Not because McCain's policy would have differed substantially from Obama's (I think they'd have been very similar), but because congressional Republicans would have been more cooperative on economic stimulus and less willing to do things to intentionally harm the economy.

    housing
    No real difference.

    health care
    Substantially worse. I never got the impression that McCain cared that much about health care...certainly not enough to push through any kind of major reform.

    education
    No real change.

    political divisiveness
    Probably better off. If only because so much of the hatred for Obama has very ugly racist connotations.

    military engagement in Middle East
    Worse off. We'd probably still be in Iraq in some capacity, and we probably would have gotten more militarily involved in the Arab Spring than we did.
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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This might surprise some people, but I think these things would all be slightly better if McCain had won. Not because McCain's policy would have differed substantially from Obama's (I think they'd have been very similar), but because congressional Republicans would have been more cooperative on economic stimulus and less willing to do things to intentionally harm the economy.



    No real difference.



    Substantially worse. I never got the impression that McCain cared that much about health care...certainly not enough to push through any kind of major reform.



    No real change.



    Probably better off. If only because so much of the hatred for Obama has very ugly racist connotations.



    Worse off. We'd probably still be in Iraq in some capacity, and we probably would have gotten more militarily involved in the Arab Spring than we did.
    So you're thinking that Obama would have been much more successful had the republicans done what was right for the country instead of simply roadblocking everything because Obama is a democrat?

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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So you're thinking that Obama would have been much more successful had the republicans done what was right for the country instead of simply roadblocking everything because Obama is a democrat?
    Yeah. If McCain had been elected and pushed for economic stimulus like any other president would, it would be a lot more difficult for congressional Republicans to rant against evil Kenyan socialist tyranny and to vote en masse against stimulus. And from a sheer political perspective, it would be their asses on the line for ensuring an economic recovery. IMO the incentives would be more aligned for congressional cooperation even though the actual policy would be more or less the same.
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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    we'd still have a significant presence in Iraq, and our involvement in Afghanistan would be larger and without an end in sight.

    wall street would still be doing fine with a lousy economy for everyone else. i don't think that there would be a large difference in the unemployment rate.

    the 2010 elections would have been different. there was no "republican revolution" without Clinton, and there wouldn't have been one without Obama.

    there would be grassroots anger at McCain from the right as there was under Bush, but we wouldn't be seeing large tea party protests. we would, however, be seeing large anti-war protests. additionally, the occupy movement would probably be larger and more organized with McCain to use as an Emmanuel Goldstein to rally against.

    in the 2012 election, McCain would have a tougher road due to overwhelming Republican fatigue. it would be possible to paint the economic malaise as purely the result of Bush / supply side economics, and to differentiate that from the Clinton years.

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