View Poll Results: If McCain had won in 2008

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  • Everything would be remarkably better

    3 13.04%
  • We'd be ten times worse off

    3 13.04%
  • We'd be involved in more wars, but economy would be much better

    3 13.04%
  • DODT would still be in effect

    9 39.13%
  • Dem would win 2012 election with little challenge

    10 43.48%
  • other - please explain

    8 34.78%
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Thread: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yeah. If McCain had been elected and pushed for economic stimulus like any other president would, it would be a lot more difficult for congressional Republicans to rant against evil Kenyan socialist tyranny and to vote en masse against stimulus. And from a sheer political perspective, it would be their asses on the line for ensuring an economic recovery. IMO the incentives would be more aligned for congressional cooperation even though the actual policy would be more or less the same.
    So any "failure" under Obama isn't really Obama's fault, but really the fault of the hyper-partisan republicans who'd rather see the country suffer than vote for anything practical or beneficial because it would reflect better on the democratic president?

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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    -Unemployment would be a little better, maybe around 7%
    -Less progress on getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan
    -More directly involved in the Arab Spring. Egg on his face when they later thumb their noses at us and elect the Muslim Brotherhood
    -Less divisiveness as I attribute almost all of it today to the behavior and instigation of the conservative pundits, which in the case of McCain would not have defined as an enomy of America and treated as such.
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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we'd still have a significant presence in Iraq, and our involvement in Afghanistan would be larger and without an end in sight.

    wall street would still be doing fine with a lousy economy for everyone else. i don't think that there would be a large difference in the unemployment rate.

    the 2010 elections would have been different. there was no "republican revolution" without Clinton, and there wouldn't have been one without Obama.

    there would be grassroots anger at McCain from the right as there was under Bush, but we wouldn't be seeing large tea party protests. we would, however, be seeing large anti-war protests. additionally, the occupy movement would probably be larger and more organized with McCain to use as an Emmanuel Goldstein to rally against.

    in the 2012 election, McCain would have a tougher road due to overwhelming Republican fatigue. it would be possible to paint the economic malaise as purely the result of Bush / supply side economics, and to differentiate that from the Clinton years.
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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So any "failure" under Obama isn't really Obama's fault,
    Depends what failure we're talking about.

    but really the fault of the hyper-partisan republicans who'd rather see the country suffer than vote for anything practical or beneficial because it would reflect better on the democratic president?
    The Republicans certainly opposed policies that they knew perfectly well to be practical and beneficial. And we know this because they themselves were proposing very similar things just a few years ago.
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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If John McCain had won in 2008 where would America be today?

    unemployment
    stock market
    economy
    housing
    health care
    education
    political divisiveness
    military engagement in Middle East
    Most things would be about the same, with the notable exception of ObamaCare.

    Unemployment might be slightly better, but not enough to really remark upon it. The stock market took a huge hit at the end of the Bush era, and has rebounded fairly well. Pretty much everything else except for Obama care would be about the same.


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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    So any "failure" under Obama isn't really Obama's fault, but really the fault of the hyper-partisan republicans who'd rather see the country suffer than vote for anything practical or beneficial because it would reflect better on the democratic president?
    You are aware that Obama doesn't really create any legislation. That is the purpose of the "Legislative" branch of government and not the "Executive" branch of government. So yes, to answer your question, it is the fault of the hyper-partisan republicans who refuse to move on any real legislature that would benefit either jobs, or conditions in the housing market.
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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If John McCain had won in 2008 where would America be today?

    unemployment
    stock market
    economy
    housing
    health care
    education
    political divisiveness
    military engagement in Middle East
    The economy would be barely better, but still atrocious. McCain would have put in place many of the same economic policies as Obama, but on a slightly smaller scale. Democrats would be blaming "trickle-down".

    Political divisiveness would be lessened because no one would like McCain. 2012 would be a Democrat Stomp as conservatives stayed home and liberals came out in droves while independents went Democrat.

    We would, however, have been smart enough to bomb the Syrian government, rather than the Libyan one.

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    Re: 100% Speculation - Had McCain Won in 2008

    The last three options.

    Other: The economy would be exactly the same. We'd still be in slow recovery. Presidents have little to do with the ebbs and flows of business cycles.

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