View Poll Results: Is the US a benefit to the World?

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  • Yes, absolutely. The world will kill itself without us.

    11 18.33%
  • Yes, I believe so. I think we do more good than harm.

    30 50.00%
  • Not sure.

    8 13.33%
  • No, I don’t believe so. I think we do more harm than good.

    10 16.67%
  • No, absolutely not. The world will kill us if we don’t get out of its way.

    1 1.67%
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    Re: Is the United States a benefit to the World?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Running away doesn't change that.
    Sing a song for me, like Sir Robin.

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    Re: Is the United States a benefit to the World?

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    to answer the OP (without reading so sorry if i repeat anything) I believe historically the US has been good for the world. However currently we are not.
    Have you ever been outside the US?

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    Re: Is the United States a benefit to the World?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Sing a song for me, like Sir Robin.
    Get mad all you want. If you have to attack peoples religious beliefs to make a point, expect to be called out on it.
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    Re: Is the United States a benefit to the World?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Have you ever been outside the US?
    A few times yes. I have been to Germany, Panama, Canada, Mexico, England and very briefly in Hong Kong.
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    Re: Is the United States a benefit to the World?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    ask the europeans who would all be speaking german now if it were not for the US
    and Russia and Britain and Australia and Canada and the soldiers of the British empire etc etc etc

    To hear some people, you wonder whether anyone else was involved in either world war. I'm guessing that Japan and Germany also played minor roles somewhere along the line but really it was all down to the US - start to finish.

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    Re: Is the United States a benefit to the World?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Get mad all you want.
    Well, I'm downright raging.

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    Re: Is the United States a benefit to the World?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    How he describes himself is immarterial since he is a politician and a lyer. His actions and policies that he supports are clearly those of a socialist. Socialism, in any form, may differ from Marx but have common elements, mainly that the early steps of transition from Capitalism to Socialism require a government to seize control of industry and resources so that they may be equitably redistributed without regards to actual production of the individual. His policies, actions and economics clearly fall within that discription, thus is is undoubtedly socialist.

    What makes him socialist. Hmm, lets see, proclaiming that we should pursue "bottom up economics", using the government to take over corporations, advocating laws that give the government control over corporations, using government monies for social programs to the detriment of average productive citizens, appointing an Industry Czar and actually expecting companies to abide by his policies, using tax laws to attempt to redistribute wealth from those who have actually done something and earned it to social cancers, such as welfare, calling the socialist revolution that overthrew a democratic government in China something to celebrate, they fact that so many of his policies are centered around "empowering" the poor at the expense of others, the fact that his level of control, while methodically different from Marx has the same economic affect, his constant demonizing of the Free Market, Capatilist markets and the results of profit based business, his claiming that the creators and investors "didn't build that" because a lot of unskilled labor was used, never mind that without the investments and creators nothing would of occured but if the unskilled laborers used weren't available, there are plenty others that would of been, his attempts to exerpt direct government control of the healthcare systems and other industries . Come to think of it, has he actually done anything or supported any policy that did not have a socialistic element? Oh, wait, I guess he did support patent reform to give the patent to the first to apply for it, well, I guess nobody, given enough time could do everything wrong.

    Furthur, you seem to think I am directly refering to just Obama. Come on, when has any of my posts actually focused on only a single moment in history? We have been trending towards socialism since the 1960s, not just under Obama. You previously mentioned the human costs during different eras of US history, tell me, what has been the human costs since we started trending towards socialistic policies? How many jobs have left America as a result of government policies, taxes and agencies like OSHA and EPA? How bad has our education systems become since then? How many people are killed, raped, and assaulted as a result of living under socialistic programs like welfare? How many people have had their lives suppressed and ruined by adherence to socialistic programs? Tell, me, how many under welfare actually ever escape it or even attempt to escape it without reforms being made to the system and them being forced to? What is the crime rates, participation in gang violence, etc in these welfare areas controlled by socialistic programs? You point out that from the end of the civil war to the assination of Martin Luther King, Jr being double the numbers from 9/11, well guess what, murders generated by welfare and other socialist programs have an annual death rate of near that or greater. The human costs in this country since the introduction of socialist sytems here is far greater than in the entire previous history of the US, including slave era, prohibition and the civil war.
    proclaiming that we should pursue "bottom up economics"
    Both Trickle Down (Reaganomics) and Trickle Up (bottom up) are BOTH considered by economists to be free market capitalism. The only place I've ever seen bottom up economics referred to as socialist are on some conservative radio talk shows and only since Obama ran for the Presidency in 2008.

    using the government to take over corporations
    I don't like it either but its not without precedent. I promise the first time I ever heard of it in the US was the case of a brothel in Nevada . Prostitution is legal in only one state in the US, Nevada. This brothel reportedly was taken over by the IRS for defaulting on federal taxes, was run by what was essentially a division of the US government until it could be auctioned off.

    The second time was the Savings and Loan crisis of the 1980s. Due to a complicated set of circumstances nearly 800 banks in America had to be taken over by the Reagan Administration under a government run entity called The Resolution Trust Corporation.

    With respect to the GM bailout, the only "government takeover of a business" during the Obama Administration that I'm aware of, its a complicated set of circumstances that were never expected to turn out that way. To make a long story short, GM was on the verge of bankruptcy IMHO due to no fault of its own (another story). To keep from shutting down GM ASKED the US government for loans to hold them over until the economic climate improved similar to the loan to Chrysler requested by Lee Iaccoca in the 1970s and Small Business Administration loans made every day and that no one to my knowledge has ever called "socialist". In the case of GM, they got their loan and AFTER they still had to file for bankruptcy. Because they were in bankruptcy and owed the American taxpayer a ton of money, the US government became an inadvertent and temporary co-owner of GM. Again, I don't like it but under the circumstances I understand as it saved a lot of American jobs not on in Michigan but throughout the country at dealerships and local TV, newspapers and radio outlets that rely heavily on dealerships advertising.

    Furthur, you seem to think I am directly refering to just Obama.
    I did get that impression, sorry for the misunderstanding. I just don't think Obama was necessarily more damaging to our freedom and rights than any other POTUS, which is what I misunderstood you to imply.

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    Re: Is the United States a benefit to the World?

    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox View Post
    I've been hearing a lot of interesting rhetoric on this subject, for a while now, so I figured I'd throw this question out there and see what you all think.
    Without a doubt...I find it hard for anybody to think the United States hasnt' done more good than harm...even including all the black stains we have in our history.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: Is the United States a benefit to the World?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Without a doubt...I find it hard for anybody to think the United States hasnt' done more good than harm...even including all the black stains we have in our history.
    Ah, but the question is not whether the US was, but rather, is it still. In the past was the US a benefit to the world, without a doubt, is it still a benefit to the world and will it remain a benefit to the world, I have to stick with unsure.

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    Re: Is the United States a benefit to the World?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Well, I'm downright raging.
    That's your bad.
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