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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    I think what I'm opinionating is that abstract values are integrally accepted and respected in our society. I'm not saying that there is anything right or wrong about this, I'm just elucidating my observation.

    I'm unable to comprehend how you arrived at your opinion of my position. Anarchist? Might makes right? Not how I feel and I don't see how I might have expressed that.



    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Are you saying abstract values don't deserve respect?

    You sound like an anarchist who believes in might makes right.

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I think what I'm opinionating is that abstract values are integrally accepted and respected in our society. I'm not saying that there is anything right or wrong about this, I'm just elucidating my observation.

    I'm unable to comprehend how you arrived at your opinion of my position. Anarchist? Might makes right? Not how I feel and I don't see how I might have expressed that.
    Your justification for denying God was that God is invisible.

    Visibility is a form of might, so you seemed to believe that might makes right.

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    I see. I used the term invisible as being non-evidential, nothing more.

    I think you're reaching a bit here
    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Your justification for denying God was that God is invisible.

    Visibility is a form of might, so you seemed to believe that might makes right.

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I see. I used the term invisible as being non-evidential, nothing more.

    I think you're reaching a bit here
    This is actually a huge epistemological issue:

    Epistemology (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    No, some beliefs, such as fatalism, are inherently disrespectful.
    YOU are not the sole arbiter of what is "inherently disrespectful." If the voters agree, then they won't elect such people to office. And if they don't agree, then why should YOUR opinion trump theirs?
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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Believing in fate suggests that some people are entitled to authority while others are obligated to endure punishment for no reason besides luck.

    Therefore, should fatalists be banned from government because they don't treat everyone as created equal?
    If anyone should be banned from government it should be the idiots who think we should tax people at more than 25% while not tax other segments of the population at all and the idiots who justify giving our hard earned tax dollars away to other countries, the idiots who think we should be spending billions of dollars on useless programs.These people are dangerous to the financial well being of this country.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    YOU are not the sole arbiter of what is "inherently disrespectful." If the voters agree, then they won't elect such people to office. And if they don't agree, then why should YOUR opinion trump theirs?
    What opinion are you talking about?

    I haven't said I like or want anything in this thread.

    Anyway, yes, I agree that nobody's opinion should trump anyone else's.

    That's why fatalism is antisocial. It suggests that some opinions are intrinsically more valuable.

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If anyone should be banned from government it should be the idiots who think we should tax people at more than 25% while not tax other segments of the population at all and the idiots who justify giving our hard earned tax dollars away to other countries, the idiots who think we should be spending billions of dollars on useless programs.These people are dangerous to the financial well being of this country.
    Sure, but I wasn't thinking about that.

    I was thinking about political correctness. For example, self-hating men and whites born into elite social status who support feminist and multicultural affirmative action.

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Do you realize that you are identifying everyone in every administration for at least the past 50 years?

    25% would be a good maximum if everyone had to pay it. There are so many exceptions that many people don't pay that much. Notice that nobody ever says lets dump these millions of tax code pages and start over?


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If anyone should be banned from government it should be the idiots who think we should tax people at more than 25% while not tax other segments of the population at all and the idiots who justify giving our hard earned tax dollars away to other countries, the idiots who think we should be spending billions of dollars on useless programs.These people are dangerous to the financial well being of this country.

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Would you please explain what's religious about fatalism?
    It is an a priori belief about the nature of the world - many faiths engage in fatalism, believing that the end of the world is set. Christians, for example, as well as Muslims and Jews. Many believe in fatalism of a more individual and particular nature, such as Presbyterians and other Calvinists.


    What I think you are trying to ask is "Should those who accept a Hegelian view of history" be allowed to govern. In which case the answer is "also yes", as A) it is up to the American people whom we choose to govern us - we are sovereign and can do any dang thing we like and B) there is nothing inherently wrong with seeing history as progressing through stages of social/political/economic development.

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