View Poll Results: Should people who believe in fate be banned from government?

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  • Yes, fatalism contradicts the exercise of influence.

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Thread: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Anybody can believe what they want and still serve in government so long as a majority of the electorate decide, for whatever reason, they are worth serving in government.
    Can you explain how "government" exists as long as society subscribes to mob justice?

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Whats that called anyway...democracy or something
    Definitely "something". It sounds more like a witch hunt, and in turn, fatalism.

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

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    Believing in fate does not necessarily mean that the believer claims prescience.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    ...so you think arguments by stolen concepts should be permitted even if they threaten the downfall of civilization?

    For example, fatalism is acknowledged by free will, yet it denies free will.

    If free will is denied, then there is no premise by which civilization can be distinguished from a state of nature.
    Who determines if some abstract concept "threatens the downfall of civilization"? You? Thanks but no thanks. There are plenty of people who think Obama's views on health care threaten the downfall of civilization; there are plenty of people who think Mitt Romney's views on crony capitalism threaten the downfall of civilization. They are free to make that case to the voters, but they don't have any right to ban people from running for office in the first place. Just as YOU don't have any right to ban people from office for supporting some abstract concept that pisses YOU off. If you think that fatalism threatens the downfall of civilization, then go convince a majority of voters that you're right.
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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Can you explain how "government" exists as long as society subscribes to mob justice?
    Voting is mob justice ?

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Believing in fate does not necessarily mean that the believer claims prescience.
    For better or worse. Denying prescience while believing in fate allows someone to get away with self-fulfilling prophecy as a matter of coincidence.

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Can you explain how "government" exists as long as society subscribes to mob justice?
    I could, but fatalism has nothing to do with mob justice, so if you want to lash out at your critics, you don't really need my replies on the issues to do so.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Who determines if some abstract concept "threatens the downfall of civilization"? You? Thanks but no thanks. There are plenty of people who think Obama's views on health care threaten the downfall of civilization; there are plenty of people who think Mitt Romney's views on crony capitalism threaten the downfall of civilization. They are free to make that case to the voters, but they don't have any right to ban people from running for office in the first place. Just as YOU don't have any right to ban people from office for supporting some abstract concept that pisses YOU off. If you think that fatalism threatens the downfall of civilization, then go convince a majority of voters that you're right.
    If I say 2+2=4, is it wrong just because I say so?

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Voting is mob justice ?
    It discriminates against minorities, so yes.

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    Re: Should People Who Believe in Fate be Banned from Government?

    Lets look at groups that believe in fate.

    1. Christians (the whole Jesus is coming back thing) (I fall into this group)
    2. Jews
    3. Muslims
    4. A bunch of other religions (not all mind you)
    5. People who believe that the world is getting better over time (I fall into this group) by means of innovation in greater individual wealth
    6. People who think society is about to fall apart due to some problem from meteorites to a world economic collapse for one reason or another
    7. Futurists such as those who believe in a singularity
    etc

    It doesn't leave much of the population out really.

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