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If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody[W:56]

If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody rights?

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Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

Sig said:
Hows abouts if you goes and checks out the stats for false convictions resulting in lengthy prison sentences and see how many of them are for rape convictions?

Then answer me this: How many men do you think will be wrongfully convicted of rape after being falsely accused under the circumstances I have already described?
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I think there are very few cases to begin with like what you described. Most women are not evil.
 
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Henrin said:
I'm going to be hated for this, but then again, I always say things people disagree with and might hate me for, so I guess I'm used that by now.

Anyway..

I don't much care for this idea of the state restricting access to your children and I despise of this idea of having your time served and still being punished for it by the state. That is really all I'm going to say here, but its without doubt I disagree with about fifty two people here so far.
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So, if some guy raped your daughter, and she decided to have the child, you would be okay with her attacker having custodial rights to this child?
 
ChrisL said:
Now that we have DNA technology, a lot juries prefer DNA evidence before they will convict someone of rape. There is even a name for this. It's called "the CSI effect."
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And herein lies the problem: If the accused sire is be proven to indeed be the sire via DNA testing, then the "CSI effect" will naturally result in more false accusations resulting in more wrongful convictions as the jury overlooks the social circumstances of the alleged crime and focuses on the DNA test.

Isn't that right?
 
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Sig said:
And herein lies the problem: If the accused sire is can be proven to indeed be the sire via DNA testing, then the "CSI effect" will naturally result in more false accusations resulting in more wrongful convictions as the jury overlooks the social circumstances of the alleged crime and focuses on the DNA test.

Isn't that right?
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The jury should never overlook any circumstances surrounding the case, and you are assuming that because more often they demand DNA evidence that they are overlooking something else.

And why do you keep saying "sire?" LOL! I've only ever heard someone refer to a father like that in old movies or books.
 
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ChrisL said:
So, if some guy raped your daughter, and she decided to have the child, you would be okay with her attacker having custodial rights to this child?
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In that case, the attacker would be dead, so custodial rights would be a non-issue.

Furthermore, my daughter would either have an abortion or be disowned by the entire family. But that's just me.
 
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Sig said:
In that case, the attacker would be dead, so custodial rights would be a non-issue.

Furthermore, my daughter would either have an abortion or be disowned by the entire family. But that's just me.
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I think that's just horrible, especially when your daughter would need the support of her family more than ever, and love for your child should be unconditional, but that's just me.
 
ChrisL said:
The jury should never overlook any circumstances surrounding the case, and you are assuming that because more often they demand DNA evidence that they are overlooking something else.
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What juries should do and what they actually do are two different things.

And why do you keep saying "sire?" LOL! I've only ever heard someone refer to a father like that in old movies or books.
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There is a very big difference between a "father" and some bloke who manages to knock up his girlfriend or some woman whom he rapes. I advise you to learn it.
 
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And maybe it's attitudes like that, when presented to a judge, would make him lean more towards giving custody to a woman like me than a man like you.
 
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ChrisL said:
I think that's just horrible, especially when your daughter would need the support of her family more than ever, and love for your child should be unconditional, but that's just me.
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Yes, but then again... Well, like you said: "That's just you."

GTG now.
 
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Sig said:
Yes, but then again... Well, like you said: "That's just you."

GTG now.
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Thank you. :2wave:
 
Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

And now there is proof that jerks are not limited to one gender or the other. :2razz:
 
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ChrisL said:
I think there are very few cases to begin with like what you described. Most women are not evil.
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False Rape Accusations May Be More Common Than Thought | Fox News

But even a skeptic like me must credit a DNA exclusion rate of 20 percent that remained constant over several years when conducted by FBI labs. This is especially true when 20 percent more were found to be questionable.
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It is impossible to be a father via rape. Being a father ain't about sperm cells.
 
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Aberration said:
False Rape Accusations May Be More Common Than Thought | Fox News
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Do you honestly believe that this happens a lot of the time?

This also from your link:

"First, the category of 'false accusations' does not distinguish between accusers who lie and those who are honestly mistaken. Nor does it indicate that a rape did not occur, merely that the specific accused is innocent. Thus, there is a drive by voices for reform, like the Innocence Institute, to improve eyewitness identification techniques within police departments. For example, the Innocence Institute suggests "Police should use a 'double-blind' photo identification procedure where someone other than the investigator -- who does not know who the suspect is -- constructs photo arrays with non-suspects as fillers to reduce suggestiveness."
Second, even if false accusations are as common as 1-in-4, that means 75 percent of reports are probably accurate and, so, all accusations deserve a thorough and professional investigation. Third, the 1-in-4 figure has 'fuzzy' aspects that could influence the results. For example, Neufeld and Scheck mention only sexual assault cases that were "referred to the FBI where results could be obtained." It is not clear what percentage of all reported assaults are represented by those cases. As well, the terms 'rape' and 'sexual assault' are often used interchangeably, especially when comparing studies, and it is not clear that they are always synonyms for each other."
 
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rocket88 said:
It is impossible to be a father via rape. Being a father ain't about sperm cells.
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You guys can be so nit-picky. I was referring to the word "sire" itself, not the philosophical meaning of father.
 
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rocket88 said:
It is impossible to be a father via rape. Being a father ain't about sperm cells.
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There's some truth to that. Biologically sure the father is the person who impregnated the female, but a real father is the man who steps up, sets a good direction for a child, and puts that child's welfare first and foremost.
 
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ChrisL said:
So, if some guy raped your daughter, and she decided to have the child, you would be okay with her attacker having custodial rights to this child?
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It shouldn't be up to me and it shouldn't be up to the state. Neither of us have any cards in the game.

Would I be fine with it? No, but my opinion means nothing.
 
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Henrin said:
It shouldn't be up to me and it shouldn't be up to the state. Neither of us have any cards in the game.

Would I be fine with it? No, but my opinion means nothing.
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It does too, if it is your family. This is what the family has to go through because of legislation like this. It is totally relevant.
 
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ChrisL said:
If you're the one concerned that she is lying, I think the onus lies on you to put your own mind at rest. Do you have any evidence that she is lying? Her story of being raped isn't unusual or unbelievable. He was convicted of raping this woman in court, so what's your problem?
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No. You are simply lying. According to her, he was NOT convicted of raping her.
 
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Muhammed said:
No. You are simply lying. According to her, he was NOT convicted of raping her.
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Yes, that's right. I go around lying because I am an evil, evil woman. Mwa-ha-ha! :twisted:
 
Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

Should a man who fathers a child through rape have visitation custody?

My first impulse is to say no.

But then, there are other variables to this issue, for example, what if the man paid his dues to society and to the woman? what if he honesty repented? what if he truly turned his life around and he is sincerely remorseful?

In other words, shall he not be forgiven and be offered a second chance to start anew in life?

These are all complex questions that must be addressed in my opinion.
 
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Mya said:
Should a man who fathers a child through rape have visitation custody?

My first impulse is to say no.

But then, there are other variables to this issue, for example, what if the man paid his dues to society and to the woman? what if he honesty repented? what if he truly turned his life around and he is sincerely remorseful?

In other words, shall he not be forgiven and be offered a second chance to start anew in life?

These are all complex questions that must be addressed in my opinion.
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I think that should be left up to mom since she was the victim of a crime, which just happened to result in a pregnancy and a child. Even if he has repented, I don't see how he can be forced upon the mom/victim of his crime. But I totally understand your sentiment, and that would be a bad outcome because of the decision he made to commit the crime of rape. IMO, another consequence HE should have to deal with, not mom.
 
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ChrisL said:
I think that should be left up to mom since she was the victim of a crime, which just happened to result in a pregnancy and a child. Even if he has repented, I don't see how he can be forced upon the mom/victim of his crime. But I totally understand your sentiment, and that would be a bad outcome because of the decision he made to commit the crime of rape. IMO, another consequence HE should have to deal with, not mom.
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I understand what you are saying.

But I am not suggesting that the victim be forced to do anything at all.

I am only asking these questions ... these complex moral questions. This is not an open and shut case, and there are moral issues that have to be considered.
 
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Mya said:
I understand what you are saying.

But I am not suggesting that the victim be forced to do anything at all.

I am only asking these questions ... these complex moral questions. This is not an open and shut case, and there are moral issues that have to be considered.
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Unfortunately, there are never easy answers.
 
ChrisL said:
If it was forcible rape, then I have to disagree. He impregnated a woman against her will and attacked her. In this situation, it should be left to the mother's discretion.
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You realize that in family law the court can and does step in to protect the rights of the children from arbitrary and capricious wishes of the parents? If the father is truely criminally violent then the court would likely side with the mother, but that he's criminally violent would have to be established as fact.
 
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