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If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody[W:56]

If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody rights?

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OP said:
If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody rights?
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Hell, no!

A man who commits forcible rape should be in solitary confinement on death row for the rest of his short ass miserable life.
 
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Well - I don't support the death penalty - there are some men out there who are falsely accused, unfortunately. I can't stomach that notion. Not worth it.
 
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Gina said:
Absolutely and unequivocally no freaking way.

Yet the woman in the article fought that for years. You would think it would be no-brainer.

I can imagine it would almost be impossible for a woman to fight a custody battle if she were date/acquaintance raped or if she didn't want the trauma of going to court.
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The woman who wrote the article isn't very believable.

Do you think she was raped?

Why or why not?
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
I just found out the following:


Now, I am thoroughly disgusted. I am disgusted because I don't think a woman should not be forced to interact with her rapist for the rest of her life. Moreover, I don't think a child should be, even partially, raised by someone so disgusting and who has an inherently toxic relationship with them and their mother.

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Agree. Nothing illustrates any more clearly how out of touch with the people our politicians really are. There is no excuse for 31 states failing to protect a rape victim and her child.
 
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When it comes to forcible rape (I'm not commenting on "statuary" rape situations) the rapist should be in prison, so it should be a moot point. However, forcing a woman who was forcibly raped and still chooses to carry the child to term to have that rapist insinuated in her life forever is such a heinous thought that my mind not only boggles, it literally gags at the notion.

A convicted rapist should have a lifetime restraining order for his victim and his victim's child. Anything less is unconscionable.
 
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We have not one but two touchy subjects here, rape and abortion. Please remember that personal attacks are not acceptable and that "civility is a MUST".
 
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LaMidRighter said:
Statutory is such a technicality, while I agree to an extent that it's there to protect younger people from predators it can be misused. The whole concept of it is based upon the age being not one where a person has the "ability to consent", to me that's a gray area. Forcible and drug rape are definitely a no to parental rights.
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that's what I'll stick to. forcible yes, 18/17 and we were both drunk and in the morning she was embarrassed rapes no.
 
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DiAnna said:
When it comes to forcible rape (I'm not commenting on "statuary" rape situations) the rapist should be in prison, so it should be a moot point. However, forcing a woman who was forcibly raped and still chooses to carry the child to term to have that rapist insinuated in her life forever is such a heinous thought that my mind not only boggles, it literally gags at the notion.

A convicted rapist should have a lifetime restraining order for his victim and his victim's child. Anything less is unconscionable.
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What interests me here is that in most cases of rape the convicted is supposed to be prohibited by law from contacting the victim iirc, and with good reason. I would think that a law enforcing parental rights for a person convicted of forcible rape directly contradicts the former and given that the disgusting aspects of continual psychological trauma should be enough to invalidate any rights claims of said rapist just the law prohibiting harassment after the fact should suffice. All in all I just don't get why a rapist should even be out of prison much less have any claim to parental rights.
 
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cpwill said:
that's what I'll stick to. forcible yes, 18/17 and we were both drunk and in the morning she was embarrassed rapes no.
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Exactly, I don't think there are that many "save face" claims but that should be taken into account during the trial, but after a conviction unless appealed that's definitely the line.
 
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Muhammed said:
The woman who wrote the article isn't very believable.

Do you think she was raped?

Why or why not?
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Yes, I do, I have no reason to doubt her.

Why do you think she isn't believable?
 
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LaMidRighter said:
What interests me here is that in most cases of rape the convicted is supposed to be prohibited by law from contacting the victim iirc, and with good reason. I would think that a law enforcing parental rights for a person convicted of forcible rape directly contradicts the former and given that the disgusting aspects of continual psychological trauma should be enough to invalidate any rights claims of said rapist just the law prohibiting harassment after the fact should suffice. All in all I just don't get why a rapist should even be out of prison much less have any claim to parental rights.
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Unfortunately most rapists that dont murder and are not sentenced as serial rapists get out of prison eventually. I voted other without giving it enough thought...I jumped at the thought to give the mother and victim the right to decide...but I dont see any mother/rape victims having thoughts of giving him visitation rights...
 
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lpast said:
Unfortunately most rapists that dont murder and are not sentenced as serial rapists get out of prison eventually. I voted other without giving it enough thought...I jumped at the thought to give the mother and victim the right to decide...but I dont see any mother/rape victims having thoughts of giving him visitation rights...
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It's a tricky topic to an extent, I would think under circumstances where the mother wants to grant some custody this wouldn't be much of an issue, for the forcible stuff though I just don't see too many victims with a pregnancy willingly granting the attacker those rights. For statutory obviously the tricky part kicks in, and for incapacitation rape there to me is about as much gray area as forcible. "Other" does have some room in the debate, I personally voted no because in my own head it was violent rape that stood out.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
It's a tricky topic to an extent, I would think under circumstances where the mother wants to grant some custody this wouldn't be much of an issue, for the forcible stuff though I just don't see to many victims with a pregnancy willingly granting the attacker those rights. For statutory obviously the tricky part kicks in, and for incapacitation rape there to me is about as much gray area as forcible. "Other" does have some room in the debate, I personally voted no because in my own head it was violent rape that stood out.
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I agree with you..I jumped the gun voting other...I
 
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lpast said:
I agree with you..I jumped the gun voting other...I
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I think other actually fits as well as no after reading others opinions. No to me though is about a court or state granting any non-statutory rapist custody.
 
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Jeez - all rape is bad :shrug:

An intentional violation of one's life, body and rights shouldn't suddenly grant you some sort of notable status in their life unless they WANT you to be.

When you've crossed those BLATANT ****ing lines you should accept your relinquishing those rights that maybe you would have had if the pregnancy happened in a NORMAL ****ing relationship.

and I need ot stop coming into this thread lest I earn another badge of dishonor - it seems the only thing that I'm ever admonished for is my temper in rape topics because some people are just ****ing retards.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Jeez - all rape is bad :shrug:

An intentional violation of one's life, body and rights shouldn't suddenly grant you some sort of notable status in their life unless they WANT you to be.

When you've crossed those BLATANT ****ing lines you should accept your relinquishing those rights that maybe you would have had if the pregnancy happened in a NORMAL ****ing relationship.

and I need ot stop coming into this thread lest I earn another badge of dishonor - it seems the only thing that I'm ever admonished for is my temper in rape topics because some people are just ****ing retards.
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That makes alot of sense auntie....rape is such a dispicable crime it makes my skin crawl to be around those scumbags and ive had that displeasure to many times in my life..
 
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lpast said:
That makes alot of sense auntie....rape is such a dispicable crime it makes my skin crawl to be around those scumbags and ive had that displeasure to many times in my life..
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Rapists are sick human beings, and I use that term lightly.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
Rapists are sick human beings, and I use that term lightly.
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Theres no doubt...its even more evident and heart wrenching to see the aftermath of what they do...it HURTS to be around women that have been raped...it hurts to have to ask them to be specific...it hurts to look in their face...
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Yes - women's rights mean that she can keep whatever children she has if that is how she wants it.
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So she can relive a sexual assault every time she looks into her childs eyes? That sounds more like a depraved act of self-torture. If she wants to keep it, fine with me, but I'd have to consider the woman to be both mentally and emotionally unstable.
 
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lpast said:
Theres no doubt...its even more evident and heart wrenching to see the aftermath of what they do...it HURTS to be around women that have been raped...it hurts to have to ask them to be specific...it hurts to look in their face...
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I had a work friend years ago that it happened to, she missed work for a week or so and was embarrassed. She only told me about it because she trusted me and it hurt me to hear what she was going through. It's a nasty thing.
 
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Surtr said:
So she can relive a sexual assault every time she looks into her childs eyes? That sounds more like a depraved act of self-torture. If she wants to keep it, fine with me, but I'd have to consider the woman to be both mentally and emotionally unstable.
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I don't agree with that. If a woman feels it to be a moral obligation it's her choice it's not necessarily that anything is wrong with her but that she was dealt a horrible hand, and frankly I can respect the strength it would take to bear a child born under those circumstances.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
I don't agree with that. If a woman feels it to be a moral obligation it's her choice it's not necessarily that anything is wrong with her but that she was dealt a horrible hand, and frankly I can respect the strength it would take to bear a child born under those circumstances.
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I don't see how any loving relationship can result from such a conception. The only justification I can see coming from it would be religious and ideological reasons concerning abortion, which I can not respect in such an instance.
 
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Surtr said:
I don't see how any loving relationship can result from such a conception. The only justification I can see coming from it would be religious and ideological reasons concerning abortion, which I can not respect in such an instance.
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Fair point. I think there are other moral values at play beyond religious and ideological though, and I think some people would not blame the child even though it would be concieved under detestable circumstances.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
Fair point. I think there are other moral values at play beyond religious and ideological though, and I think some people would not blame the child even though it would be concieved under detestable circumstances.
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Rape is a life-changing traumatic event in a society such as ours. It's not healthy to want a child conceived through sexual assault, and those feelings will be projected onto the child by the mother, so two people end up being permanently damaged. One of them being a person who shouldn't exist in the first place.

EDIT: But I will say that if she wants it, nobody should have the power to take that away from her. However, for her own sake, and the child's, the fetus should be aborted.
 
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