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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Only if it's the mother. You want to call me sexist, go for it-- biology is sexist. The mother bears all of the responsibility and the hardship of gestating and delivering the child; it is by virtue of those acts that parental rights naturally reside with her, and not by the act of conception.
    I am the primary caregiver for my child, I am male, am I not enough?

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I am the primary caregiver for my child, I am male, am I not enough?
    You're the primary caregiver. That's what makes you a father.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Only if it's the mother. You want to call me sexist, go for it-- biology is sexist. The mother bears all of the responsibility and the hardship of gestating and delivering the child; it is by virtue of those acts that parental rights naturally reside with her, and not by the act of conception.
    Parental rights do not exist when the threat of harm to the child overrides... sexual assault if it is commited by a man, or a woman, is really proof enough to show they are a danger to the child.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I am the primary caregiver for my child, I am male, am I not enough?
    I am a daddy to three great kids. I second this.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    You're the primary caregiver. That's what makes you a father.
    If effectively, I am the only parent is that enough? I cook, clean, bathe, brush his teeth, take him to the doctor, pull lunch duty and other school activities, I will teach him to sew and do laundry, budget money and food shop. I also am involved with his group sports activity and musical endeavors. Hell I just took him to Disney for MY birthday.

    Does he need a mother in your opinion?

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    If effectively, I am the only parent is that enough? I cook, clean, bathe, brush his teeth, take him to the doctor, pull lunch duty and other school activities, I will teach him to sew and do laundry, budget money and food shop. I also am involved with his group sports activity and musical endeavors. Hell I just took him to Disney for MY birthday.

    Does he need a mother in your opinion?
    No more than he would need a father if the shoe were on the other foot. Children need both parents, but if they've only got one it might as well be either-- and I would say that you're doing a damn fine job for only being one of you. Better than my own parents did together. (If you're familiar with my childhood, that's not intended to be faint praise; it's a genuine compliment.) But the thing is, you are a father because you have done these things... and you have done these things because your son's mother allowed you to, by leaving the child in your care. Mothers have parental rights first because they provide for the child first.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    No more than he would need a father if the shoe were on the other foot. Children need both parents, but if they've only got one it might as well be either-- and I would say that you're doing a damn fine job for only being one of you. Better than my own parents did together. (If you're familiar with my childhood, that's not intended to be faint praise; it's a genuine compliment.) But the thing is, you are a father because you have done these things... and you have done these things because your son's mother allowed you to, by leaving the child in your care. Mothers have parental rights first because they provide for the child first.
    Essentially because she could not stop me from doing these things, not a hard luck story, nothing drastic, just life. I made it my business, dropped everything, to be here for him. No third party was going to "raise" my child.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    No more than he would need a father if the shoe were on the other foot. Children need both parents, but if they've only got one it might as well be either-- and I would say that you're doing a damn fine job for only being one of you. Better than my own parents did together. (If you're familiar with my childhood, that's not intended to be faint praise; it's a genuine compliment.) But the thing is, you are a father because you have done these things... and you have done these things because your son's mother allowed you to, by leaving the child in your care. Mothers have parental rights first because they provide for the child first.
    I have to say that mothers are sometimes not necessarily good parents, or maybe I should say some people are just not meant to be parents.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    But the thing is, you are a father because you have done these things... and you have done these things because your son's mother allowed you to, by leaving the child in your care. Mothers have parental rights first because they provide for the child first.
    You're kinda disgusting, sir. I'm no MRA, but since it is clear that this kind of openly sexist sentiment is quietly upheld by our court systems every single day, I'm glad they are out there, and they are growing. Someone is going to start listening eventually. Fathers have rights to their children. And if they have no rights, then they should also have no responsibilities. Forced responsibilities without rights, based solely on gender/race/whathaveyou... is slavery.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by NitroHangover View Post
    You're kinda disgusting, sir. I'm no MRA, but since it is clear that this kind of openly sexist sentiment is quietly upheld by our court systems every single day, I'm glad they are out there, and they are growing. Someone is going to start listening eventually.
    I'm not saying that mothers are more essential or more vital than fathers. I'm not saying that mothers are better parents than fathers, or that they should have more parental rights than fathers. I am saying that every child that is ever born has a mother long before it is even physically possible for them to have a father and that a man cannot become a father until a woman chooses to bless him with a child. This isn't sexism, this is simple biological reality that our society has ignored to our detriment.

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    Fathers have rights to their children.
    Yes, they do, but only once they become fathers. A teaspoon of genetic material does not make them so.

    Quote Originally Posted by NitroHangover View Post
    And if they have no rights, then they should also have no responsibilities. Forced responsibilities without rights, based solely on gender/race/whathaveyou... is slavery.
    Yes, it is. And I am opposed to the practice. The fact that women can force men into fatherhood is an abomination that should be eradicated with all possible vigor-- but it is not a justification to allow a man to impose himself upon a woman and in effect steal her child simply by virtue of the circumstances of the child's conception.

    What you are arguing here is the reason that courts in our country would even have to consider such a ridiculous and morally abhorrent notion as rapists having parental rights to the products of their crimes.

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