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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    If you have no stats to back up your claims, then your statements are weak. You think we are going to just abandon justice and sacrifice society for the good an extremely small percentage, which would happen with any justice system? Then, you're just inviting lynchings. Yes, let's go backwards in time. Good idea.

    Things would be MUCH worse for those who are falsely accused without a justice system.
    I don't think it is an extremely small percentage of men who do not get custody because they are men.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    I don't think it is an extremely small percentage of men who do not get custody because they are men.
    No, I'm referring to false convictions for rape.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody[W:56]

    Now that we have DNA technology, a lot juries prefer DNA evidence before they will convict someone of rape. There is even a name for this. It's called "the CSI effect."

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    If you have no stats to back up your claims, then your statements are weak. You think we are going to just abandon justice and sacrifice society for the good an extremely small percentage, which would happen with any justice system? Then, you're just inviting lynchings. Yes, let's go backwards in time. Good idea.
    Hows abouts if you goes and checks out the stats for false convictions resulting in lengthy prison sentences and see how many of them are for rape convictions?

    Then answer me this: How many men do you think will be wrongfully convicted of rape after being falsely accused under the circumstances I have already described?
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    I'm going to be hated for this, but then again, I'm always saying things people disagree with and might hate me for, so I guess I'm used that by now.

    Anyway..

    I don't much care for this idea of the state restricting access to your children and I despise of this idea of having your time served and still being punished for it by the state. That is really all I'm going to say here, but its without doubt I disagree with about fifty two people here so far.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Hows abouts if you goes and checks out the stats for false convictions resulting in lengthy prison sentences and see how many of them are for rape convictions?

    Then answer me this: How many men do you think will be wrongfully convicted of rape after being falsely accused under the circumstances I have already described?
    I think there are very few cases to begin with like what you described. Most women are not evil.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm going to be hated for this, but then again, I always say things people disagree with and might hate me for, so I guess I'm used that by now.

    Anyway..

    I don't much care for this idea of the state restricting access to your children and I despise of this idea of having your time served and still being punished for it by the state. That is really all I'm going to say here, but its without doubt I disagree with about fifty two people here so far.
    So, if some guy raped your daughter, and she decided to have the child, you would be okay with her attacker having custodial rights to this child?

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Now that we have DNA technology, a lot juries prefer DNA evidence before they will convict someone of rape. There is even a name for this. It's called "the CSI effect."
    And herein lies the problem: If the accused sire is be proven to indeed be the sire via DNA testing, then the "CSI effect" will naturally result in more false accusations resulting in more wrongful convictions as the jury overlooks the social circumstances of the alleged crime and focuses on the DNA test.

    Isn't that right?
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody[W:56]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    And herein lies the problem: If the accused sire is can be proven to indeed be the sire via DNA testing, then the "CSI effect" will naturally result in more false accusations resulting in more wrongful convictions as the jury overlooks the social circumstances of the alleged crime and focuses on the DNA test.

    Isn't that right?
    The jury should never overlook any circumstances surrounding the case, and you are assuming that because more often they demand DNA evidence that they are overlooking something else.

    And why do you keep saying "sire?" LOL! I've only ever heard someone refer to a father like that in old movies or books.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So, if some guy raped your daughter, and she decided to have the child, you would be okay with her attacker having custodial rights to this child?
    In that case, the attacker would be dead, so custodial rights would be a non-issue.

    Furthermore, my daughter would either have an abortion or be disowned by the entire family. But that's just me.
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