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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's your opinion. It is up to the woman.
    And it is up to her to expect visitation from the sire, who will no doubt interpret her failure to abort as an assertion that she actually enjoyed having sex with him and may like to do so again.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Good thing women are no longer required to marry the damn rapist. In my opinion if there is DNA or eye witness testimony from other than the person raped, it should be a mandatory death sentence. Someone touches my wife it will be.

    Why should a rapist get any rights? What the heck is government thinking??????
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    For the reasons I have have already articulate: Such laws will invariably result in false accusations of rape and wrongful convictions.

    Do you seriously doubt that this will happen in the fullness of time?
    Such laws are already on the books in many states, Run along and fetch me the statistics quantifying the number of false rape accusations in those states in contrast with the remainder and then perhaps we can have a more meaningful discussion of the proposed law that excludes gut hunches and assumptions.

    There are false accusations pertaining to crimes of all sorts, regardless of laws that seek to curb them, In any instance, the proposed good that would result from the legislation being proposed seems to outweigh the potential repercussions by a hefty margin.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    And it is up to her to expect visitation from the sire, who will no doubt interpret her failure to abort as an assertion that she actually enjoyed having sex with him and may like to do so again.
    Well, if she wants to have sex with him again, then she probably wouldn't have a problem with visitation, and if he enjoyed the sex enough to come back after the birth of the child, then he can help pay for the child too.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So you want to force women to abort pregnancies that are the result of rape, even if she WANTS to have the child?
    Of course not. That being said, I do not want to make a mess of the family and criminal justice system either; nor do I want to see an innocent man be sentenced to a lengthy prison term for a crime he did not commit, all because he had the misfortune of knocking up a ruthless and vindictive woman he did not love, or who no longer loves him.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Of course not. That being said, I do not want to make a mess of the family and criminal justice system either; nor do I want to see an innocent man be sentenced to a lengthy prison term for a crime he did not commit, all because he had the misfortune of knocking up a ruthless and vindictive woman he did not love, or who no longer loves him.
    I doubt that MOST people who are convicted of rape are innocent. More often than not, when convicted they are guilty. Rapes have always happened and still do. Of course, all criminals say they are innocent. LOL! Just because YOU believe it doesn't mean it's true though.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post

    In any instance, the proposed good that would result from the legislation being proposed seems to outweigh the potential repercussions by a hefty margin.
    Oh really? Says who, you?...

    ...as well as every family law and criminal defense attorney who stands to profit from such bad law?

    How many false rape accusations would satisfy you? Better question still: How many wrongful convictions would satisfy you?
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I doubt that MOST people who are convicted of rape are innocent.
    MOST do not have to be innocent in order for such law to be recognized as bad law.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Oh really? Says who, you?...

    ...as well as every family law and criminal defense attorney who stands to profit from such bad law?

    How many false rape accusations would satisfy you? Better question still: How many wrongful convictions would satisfy you?
    If you have no stats to back up your claims, then your statements are weak. You think we are going to just abandon justice and sacrifice society for the good an extremely small percentage, which would happen with any justice system? Then, you're just inviting lynchings. Yes, let's go backwards in time. Good idea.

    Things would be MUCH worse for those who are falsely accused without a justice system.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Oh really? Says who, you?...

    ...as well as every family law and criminal defense attorney who stands to profit from such bad law?

    How many false rape accusations would satisfy you? Better question still: How many wrongful convictions would satisfy you?
    I speak for myself and myself only, although judging by the purely anecdotal polling data from this particular website, I'm hardly a renegade in this instance.

    You seem to be under the impression that criminal defense and family law attorneys aren't involved in other family matters of the sort. Bad news, with or without the proposed legislation being put into place, lawyers will have a rather large role in custodial hearings, cases pertaining to sexual assault, divorce, and so on, it's simply unavoidable.

    If your looking for someone to coddle and attempt to reason with your absurd platitudes, loaded questions and mindless braying, you've reached a dead end.

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