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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I know the system is screwy. I will look into it more, but I have to say, just like a LOT of crimes, when accused you go to jail and then bail out or wait for court. That is not unusual.

    In this particular case, since the man was never convicted, it is definitely questionable. Although, I can't see this woman going out and making a huge deal out of this if it was all a made up story. Not impossible though.
    The unusual part is when it is used to gain custody.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    I found this which has some interesting information in it. It says the reason why women are usually awarded custody is because in the past, men worked and women stayed home. That only makes sense. Also, because it is the woman who goes through the pregnancy and birthing process to deliver the child into the world, which affords her extra bonding time with the baby/child, so it is automatically assumed that the mother will be more nurturing than the father.

    It's not that way anymore though, and this link also states that things are changing in that regard, albeit slowly, but changes like this always take time. I still stick to by earlier statements about men convicted of rape though. In that case, I don't think it should even be considered "his" child.

    Why Do Women Win Most Custody Battles? - Attorneys.com

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Actually, upon further review, laws that would deny visitation rights under such circumstances will likely be exploited by some women who seek to avenge being jilted in a consensual relationship after the sire breaks off the relationship in favor of another woman. It may also be exploited as a lever for procuring more child support than is mandated by the Court.

    NEW RULE: Any woman who foolishly decides to carry such an ill-begotten pregnancy to full term should anticipate visitation by the sire, whether legally or otherwise. After all, any man who would rape a woman is not likely to be dissuaded from visiting his child by any mere court order. Visitation rights should be granted unless the sire had also been convicted of battery, kidnapping, or terroristic threats in furtherance of rape.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Actually, upon further review, laws that would deny visitation rights under such circumstances will likely be exploited by some women who seek to avenge being jilted in a consensual relationship after the sire breaks off the relationship in favor of another woman. It may also be exploited as a lever for procuring more child support than is mandated by the Court.

    NEW RULE: Any woman who foolishly decides to carry such an ill-begotten pregnancy to full term should anticipate visitation by the sire, whether legally or otherwise. After all, any man who would rape a woman is not likely to be dissuaded from visiting his child by any mere court order. Visitation rights should be granted unless the sire had also been convicted of battery, kidnapping, or terroristic threats in furtherance of rape.
    That's a terrible idea. I'm glad you don't make the rules.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That's a terrible idea. I'm glad you don't make the rules.
    A more terrible idea is for a woman not to abort such a pregnancy.

    One stupid turn deserves another, I says. Indeed, one could not help but wonder if an actual rape took place in such circumstances.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    NEW RULE: Any woman who foolishly decides to carry such an ill-begotten pregnancy to full term should anticipate visitation by the sire, whether legally or otherwise.

    After all, any man who would rape a woman is not likely to be dissuaded from visiting his child by any mere court order.

    Visitation rights should be granted unless the sire had also been convicted of battery, kidnapping, or terroristic threats in furtherance of rape.
    There are many who opt to carry said baby to full term, and should do so without reprecussion or fear of legal visitation and involvement in her life from the aggressor in question.

    Merely assuming that the father will attempt to play a role in the baby and the mother's life does not justify failing to ensure legal protection against such actions.

    Why require another form of battery or a felony of some sort in order to limit parental rights? The baby was conceived as a bi-product of both violence and sexual battery, more than enough to justify removing the child from the perpetrators influence and immediate grasp.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    A more terrible idea is for a woman not to abort such a pregnancy.

    One stupid turn deserves another, I says. Indeed, one could not help but wonder if an actual rape took place in such circumstances.
    That's your opinion. It is up to the woman.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    A more terrible idea is for a woman not to abort such a pregnancy.

    One stupid turn deserves another, I says. Indeed, one could not help but wonder if an actual rape took place in such circumstances.
    Says most, but not all. Not your call in any instance, and rightfully so.

    Ah yes, punish the mother for bearing the burden of a terrible crime, and simultataneously question the veracity of her claims. Important to note that all sexual assaults are not reported on the spot, under fear of violence, social persecution, and actions of the like (Especially cases pertaining to under age girls, children born through incest etc. etc.)

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post

    Why require another form of battery or a felony of some sort in order to limit parental rights?
    For the reasons I have have already articulated: Such laws will invariably result in false accusations of rape and wrongful convictions.

    Do you seriously doubt that this will happen in the fullness of time?
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    For the reasons I have have already articulated: Such laws will invariably result in false accusations of rape and wrongful convictions.

    Do you seriously doubt that this will happen in the fullness of time?
    So you want to force women to abort pregnancies that are the result of rape, even if she WANTS to have the child?

    And why wouldn't you suggest adoption?

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