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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I just perused the article, and it doesn't state whether or not he was convicted. However, it does state that there was a trial, and they are referring to this man as the "rapist" which I believe would be libel or slander if he was found innocent of this crime. Especially considering the fact that it was a CNN story, I don't think they would ever refer to one who was found innocent as "the rapist" as they could get sued. I think it is safe to assume that this story is referring to a convicted rapist.
    They do not mention his name, so it may be hard to slander.

    You may think its safe to assume, but then again there is a reason there is an saying about assumptions, because your assumption is wrong.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    They do not mention his name, so it may be hard to slander.

    You may think its safe to assume, but then again there is a reason there is an saying about assumptions, because your assumption is wrong.
    You're right, I just looked and found in a different article that he was never convicted. It's surprising that they refer to him as the rapist when he was not convicted. I wouldn't know what the right thing to do is in this situation. Just because he wasn't convicted doesn't mean he is innocent, but there is also the possibility that she is making things up. It's a tough one.

    Imagine You Were Raped. Got Pregnant. Then Your Rapist Sought Custody. | Mother Jones

    "Prewitt, who now works as an attorney in Chicago, thought there was no court on earth that would allow her alleged rapist (he was never convicted) to have custody rights. But her lawyer informed Prewitt that, due to Missouri law, her case wasn't a slam dunk. The state wouldn't allow her to fight the custody request directly—the court would have to file a petition independently."

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You're right, I just looked and found in a different article that he was never convicted. It's surprising that they refer to him as the rapist when he was not convicted. I wouldn't know what the right thing to do is in this situation. Just because he wasn't convicted doesn't mean he is innocent, but there is also the possibility that she is making things up. It's a tough one.

    Imagine You Were Raped. Got Pregnant. Then Your Rapist Sought Custody. | Mother Jones

    "Prewitt, who now works as an attorney in Chicago, thought there was no court on earth that would allow her alleged rapist (he was never convicted) to have custody rights. But her lawyer informed Prewitt that, due to Missouri law, her case wasn't a slam dunk. The state wouldn't allow her to fight the custody request directly—the court would have to file a petition independently."
    I prefer to side with innocence until proven guilt.

    Some people prefer to side with their vagina. (not directed at you)

    My brother has been accused of rape and sexual abuse of his daughter (he has custody) multiple times by his ex-wife. I have seen first hand how men are treated by the courts for nothing more than an accusation with absolutely no proof.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    I prefer to side with innocence until proven guilt.

    Some people prefer to side with their vagina. (not directed at you)

    My brother has been accused of rape and sexual abuse of his daughter (he has custody) multiple times by his ex-wife. I have seen first hand how men are treated by the courts for nothing more than an accusation with absolutely no proof.
    I know there are some really nasty women out there who do these things, especially when custody battles are concerned. Part of the problem is that, a lot of times, it is very difficult to prove a rape occurred. It doesn't mean it never happened though. I prefer to side with the safety of the child. Both parents are secondary to me, as the child is defenseless, but again I'm not sure what I would do, and I'm glad I don't have to deal with such issues.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    My brother has been accused of rape and sexual abuse of his daughter (he has custody) multiple times by his ex-wife. I have seen first hand how men are treated by the courts for nothing more than an accusation with absolutely no proof.
    That is so sad. The courts, though, have to immediately take the side of the child. Justice may (or sometimes may not) come later. Hopefully, it does -- and when it does? Mama ought to go to freakin' jail. That revenge/manipulation tactic is just pure evil. Personally, I hope these women go straight to hell.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That is so sad. The courts, though, have to immediately take the side of the child. Justice may (or sometimes may not) come later. Hopefully, it does -- and when it does? Mama ought to go to freakin' jail. That revenge/manipulation tactic is just pure evil. Personally, I hope these women go straight to hell.
    Yes, it's women like that who give ALL women a bad name. They should definitely be prosecuted if they are found to be lying.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That is so sad. The courts, though, have to immediately take the side of the child. Justice may (or sometimes may not) come later. Hopefully, it does -- and when it does? Mama ought to go to freakin' jail. That revenge/manipulation tactic is just pure evil. Personally, I hope these women go straight to hell.
    She was booted from Army basic because of the rape charge. He was in jail over the holidays on her word alone. She is certified crazy. She pays no child support, and yet has all visitation rights. They treat visitation and child support payment as separate issues. The State(/s) have funded her accusations. He is a 100% disabled Iraq veteran, and has had to pay tens of thousands to fund his own defense.

    The whole issue of family courts and the extreme and blatant discrimination raises great contempt for me against our 'Justice' system.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    She was booted from Army basic because of the rape charge. He was in jail over the holidays on her word alone. She is certified crazy. She pays no child support, and yet has all visitation rights. They treat visitation and child support payment as separate issues. The State(/s) have funded her accusations. He is a 100% disabled Iraq veteran, and has had to pay tens of thousands to fund his own defense.

    The whole issue of family courts and the extreme and blatant discrimination raises great contempt for me against our 'Justice' system.
    That is terrible and a really good reason to live together and really get to know someone before you get married and have children (not talking about your brother because I have no idea, just generally). This only represents a small number of women though.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    There's a huge problem with this line of thinking.

    Numerous times there have been men who were wrongly accused of rape. I don't think I need to continue for you get where I'm going with that.

    I agree but with modern DNA testing, CCTV when the rapist is caught on camera kidnapping a little girl, etc. then the level of certainty is 100%.

    The fact is forcible rape, arguably one of the most hideous crimes one can commit is also the least likely to be punished. Most rape victims never report the crime to authorities. Of those who do, the burden of proof is so hard to reach under the conditions of no witnesses and her word against his, many are never prosecuted. Of the one that are, many of the perpetrators are acquitted. Statistically if someone wants to get away with a crime, rape offers the an overwhelming likelihood of never having to face justice. At least not human justice. I don't think people ultimately get away with anything but with human justice examples can be made and hopefully offer a deterrent.

    Meanwhile, we have the national sex offender registry that is a cruel joke filled mostly with people who fooled around with their underage 17 going on 30 girlfriend or couldn't hold it any more and took a leak behind a tree mixed in with a small percentage of forcible rapists. I'm not saying fooling around with a 17 going on 30 girlfriend id okay, its not. I just don't think those people are dangerous threats to public safety like someone who kidnaps and forcibly rapes someone or molests a child. Then the crimes written in legalese so nobody except lawyers know what they actually did. I've got a friend on it who when he was in Iraq apparently patted a female sailor on the butt and for I think 10 more years his neighbors and in fact all of America is being warned on a government website that he committed something called "Indecent Assault".

    Anyway, I'm off on a tangent. If you know any forcible rape victims if they're willing to talk about it I'm sure you'll learn it was probably the most life altering, emotionally tormenting and devastating event of their lives often affecting their ability to function normally in wide range of areas and tragically most perpetrators get away with it.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is terrible and a really good reason to live together and really get to know someone before you get married and have children (not talking about your brother because I have no idea, just generally). This only represents a small number of women though.
    He married a stripper. Because to a young HM in Pendleton, strippers are cool.

    Bull****. Any lawyer will tell a woman about the 'nuclear option'. It is not a small number. And women rights groups will tell them its justified for getting back at years of repression.

    Does any realize what they 'force' men to go through to prove they are not a sexual predator on minors?
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