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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Yes, I do, I have no reason to doubt her.

    Why do you think she isn't believable?
    Somebody in another forum gave me a heads up about her.

    She's had a dog in the fight, child custody, so she had a motive to lie.

    It was he said/she said case and we've only heard the accusers side of the story. But we do know that she persued a charge of rape but the accused was not convicted of the charge.

    She doesn't ever name her alleged rapist in her highly publicized articles. Why not? Is she afraid of losing a civil suit for slander?

    In her open letter to Congressman Akin, just before she threatens to "fight to extinguish your inflammatory statements" she makes this snide remark...

    "After all, why pass a law restricting the parental rights of men who father through rape when too many legislators argue (without any reliance on science, fact, or experience) that “legitimately raped” woman never would decide to raise a child from that crime? Why pass a law when raped women cannot get pregnant from their rapes?"

    And of course that's ridiculous. No legislators are arguing that women who are raped would never decide to raise the child and none are arguing that women cannot get pregnant from their rapes. Akin certainly never said that, implied that, or insinuated that in any way shape or form.

    So she's not being truthful when she tries to misrepresent what Akin said in his allegedly "inflammitory statement" that she is expressing so much faux outrage about. That tells me that she has no moral compunction against lying to get what she wants. It says something about her character and credibility.

    She exhudes the primary trait of a dishonest person. That is, she is willing to lie and decieve to get what she wants. Therefore in my judgement that gives me serious doubts about her credibility. And in a purely he said/she said case credibility means everything.

    That's why I am very skeptical of her claim that she was raped.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Somebody in another forum gave me a heads up about her.

    She's had a dog in the fight, child custody, so she had a motive to lie.

    It was he said/she said case and we've only heard the accusers side of the story. But we do know that she persued a charge of rape but the accused was not convicted of the charge.

    She doesn't ever name her alleged rapist in her highly publicized articles. Why not? Is she afraid of losing a civil suit for slander?

    In her open letter to Congressman Akin, just before she threatens to "fight to extinguish your inflammatory statements" she makes this snide remark...

    "After all, why pass a law restricting the parental rights of men who father through rape when too many legislators argue (without any reliance on science, fact, or experience) that “legitimately raped” woman never would decide to raise a child from that crime? Why pass a law when raped women cannot get pregnant from their rapes?"

    And of course that's ridiculous. No legislators are arguing that women who are raped would never decide to raise the child and none are arguing that women cannot get pregnant from their rapes. Akin certainly never said that, implied that, or insinuated that in any way shape or form.

    So she's not being truthful when she tries to misrepresent what Akin said in his "inflammitory statement" that she is expressing so much faux outrage about. That tells me that she has no moral compunction against lying to get what she wants. It says something about her character and credibility.

    She exhudes the primary trait of a dishonest person. That is, she is willing to lie and decieve to get what she wants. Therefore in my judgement that gives me serious doubts about her credibility. And in a purely he said/she said case credibility means everything.

    That's why I am very skeptical of her claim that she was raped.
    You're letting your partisanship cloud your judgment.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Stay and fight. Deal if she has too. Fight to change the law later so others will have a better chance. Running and living in fear is not a good environment for children to grow up either.
    I was talking about reality, not idealism. We still have legislators who think marital rape is some made up "feminazi" nonsense ffs.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Which is besides the point. If that someone didn't commit the crime, then the punishment should not be lower but none, therefore in considering the punishment, we ought to consider what is fitting for the crime, not for the those who are wrongly convicted.
    Except those who are wrong convicted must still face those punishments. Which is a great injustice to them.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You're letting your partisanship cloud your judgment.
    I think that because you cannot argue against any of the points I made, you are resorting to accusing me of partisanship.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Except those who are wrong convicted must still face those punishments. Which is a great injustice to them.
    No justice system is perfect. There are always going to be those who are wrongly convicted. What would your suggestion be?

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I think that because you cannot argue against any of the points I made, you are resorting to accusing me of partisanship.
    You haven't made any points. Only assumptions.

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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Somebody in another forum gave me a heads up about her.

    She's had a dog in the fight, child custody, so she had a motive to lie.

    It was he said/she said case and we've only heard the accusers side of the story. But we do know that she persued a charge of rape but the accused was not convicted of the charge.

    She doesn't ever name her alleged rapist in her highly publicized articles. Why not? Is she afraid of losing a civil suit for slander?

    In her open letter to Congressman Akin, just before she threatens to "fight to extinguish your inflammatory statements" she makes this snide remark...

    "After all, why pass a law restricting the parental rights of men who father through rape when too many legislators argue (without any reliance on science, fact, or experience) that “legitimately raped” woman never would decide to raise a child from that crime? Why pass a law when raped women cannot get pregnant from their rapes?"

    And of course that's ridiculous. No legislators are arguing that women who are raped would never decide to raise the child and none are arguing that women cannot get pregnant from their rapes. Akin certainly never said that, implied that, or insinuated that in any way shape or form.

    So she's not being truthful when she tries to misrepresent what Akin said in his allegedly "inflammitory statement" that she is expressing so much faux outrage about. That tells me that she has no moral compunction against lying to get what she wants. It says something about her character and credibility.

    She exhudes the primary trait of a dishonest person. That is, she is willing to lie and decieve to get what she wants. Therefore in my judgement that gives me serious doubts about her credibility. And in a purely he said/she said case credibility means everything.

    That's why I am very skeptical of her claim that she was raped.

    Be skeptical if you wish. You present no evidence to me that she is lying, so I will take her at her word in the absence of proof.


    I don't want to derail the thread discussing Akin's comments, so I'll stop there.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No justice system is perfect. There are always going to be those who are wrongly convicted. What would your suggestion be?
    I have several.

    One is to make forensic units an agency totally independent from police departments or prosecutors' offices. That way evidence that way the collection and analysis of evidence won't be biased towards the government just to get a conviction.

    Also, I think that prosecutors who convict someone who was later found innocent should automatically be investigated for potential wrongdoing and face criminal charges should that investigation merit it. After all, prosecutors seeking a wrongful conviction means that the criminal who did do it has gone free to continue those crimes, which is a danger to the safety of the public.

    Also, in capital cases, I don't think potential jurors should be disqualified for their opinion on the death penalty. The Constitution guarantees a jury of one peers, and if some peers think that the death penalty is too harsh a penalty for a crime then they should be allowed to sit on a jury and say so.
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    Re: If a man fathers a child through rape, should he have visitation or custody right

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    I have several. One is to make forensic units an agency totally independent from police departments or prosecutors' offices. That way evidence that way the collection and analysis of evidence won't be biased towards the government just to get a conviction.
    I think this is an excellent idea! I'm sure there would be a few wrongful convictions still, but it would help!

    Also, I think that prosecutors who convict someone who was later found innocent should automatically be investigated for potential wrongdoing and face criminal charges should that investigation merit it. After all, prosecutors seeking a wrongful conviction means that the criminal who did do it has gone free to continue those crimes, which is a danger to the safety of the public.
    If the prosecutor is actively involved in a conspiracy, then I would totally agree.

    Also, in capital cases, I don't think potential jurors should be disqualified for their opinion on the death penalty. The Constitution guarantees a jury of one peers, and if some peers think that the death penalty is too harsh a penalty for a crime then they should be allowed to sit on a jury and say so.
    Although I personally don't agree with the DP, that is a separate trial. I believe the defendant is tried for guilt first, and the death penalty trial is a separate trial. I could be wrong in that it could vary from state to state which have the DP. Where the DP is legal though, it kind of doesn't make sense to have people on the jury who do not believe in it.

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