View Poll Results: What is the PRIMARY task of a social welfare system?

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  • To ensure that no one lives in poverty

    14 58.33%
  • To redistribute wealth so as to keep all citizens within a given range of each other

    5 20.83%
  • To create a dependent class that can be mobilized for votes

    5 20.83%
  • To socialize individual charity taking advantage of the superior efficiency of government

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    What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Regardless of whether you think that said policy should be designed with some or all of these in mind - which one takes precedence. If given a choice between one thing and any other, which one wins?

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    most voters will say one. Those who created it-if properly "persuaded" would admit three.

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    i put that third option in there just for you, turtle



    But no, I don't think most folks see themselves as the bad guys. I would suspect that the lefts' view on the dependency class is very similar to the Right's view on Voter ID. The left does not intend to make a large number of Americans dependent upon the government, but is willing to accept that quietly as a cherry on top; just as the Right does not intend to reduce democrat electoral strength by insisting that voters prove who they say they are, but is willing to accept that as a secondary-effect.

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    To make sure nobody gets screwed if they suddenly get laid off, or if they suffer from a chronic illness for which they can't pay the bills by themselves, or to prevent any of a dozen other scenarios in which people's lives are completely turned upside down due to events that are out of their own control. In a phrase, to promote social stability and predictability.
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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Regardless of whether you think that said policy should be designed with some or all of these in mind - which one takes precedence. If given a choice between one thing and any other, which one wins?
    None of those.

    The primary purpose of social welfare is to create a social floor by which no person may fall beneath that all people may have access to and that all people contribute to in the form of taxes when they are able. This social floor includes providing for children, as they cannot provide for themselves, for the mentally ill, as people who suffer mental illness suffer it by no fault of their own, for the physically disabled, who may still contribute to society after some initial support, and to the elderly, who get so old that they can no longer support themselves.

    And it is up to the government to provide this social floor as private charities may be too selective in who they determine are worthy support.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    i put that third option in there just for you, turtle



    But no, I don't think most folks see themselves as the bad guys. I would suspect that the lefts' view on the dependency class is very similar to the Right's view on Voter ID. The left does not intend to make a large number of Americans dependent upon the government, but is willing to accept that quietly as a cherry on top; just as the Right does not intend to reduce democrat electoral strength by insisting that voters prove who they say they are, but is willing to accept that as a secondary-effect.

    that is reasonable but I think those at the top of the party who design that stuff wanted to create dependent voters. I believe that was FDR's intent and LBJs. as to many congressmen on the left, I suspect you are right.

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Regardless of whether you think that said policy should be designed with some or all of these in mind - which one takes precedence. If given a choice between one thing and any other, which one wins?
    There is no doubt in my mind that welfare began as an altruistic program to help people in need. Unfortunately, it's morphed into #'s 2 and 3 as well. NOW, welfare is, in effect, putting people in those chains Joe Biden talked about.
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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is reasonable but I think those at the top of the party who design that stuff wanted to create dependent voters. I believe that was FDR's intent and LBJs. as to many congressmen on the left, I suspect you are right.
    Don't forget the dependent contributors Congressmen and Senators want in order to get kickbacks in the form of campaign contributions in exchange for doling out government contracts, bailouts, and tax exemptions.

    A lot more corporate welfare is going on rather than social welfare, since politicians get a lot more bribes from corporate parasites than they do from poor people who need government help to get housing and food.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Regardless of whether you think that said policy should be designed with some or all of these in mind - which one takes precedence. If given a choice between one thing and any other, which one wins?
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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Regardless of whether you think that said policy should be designed with some or all of these in mind - which one takes precedence. If given a choice between one thing and any other, which one wins?
    None of the above.

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