View Poll Results: What is the PRIMARY task of a social welfare system?

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  • To ensure that no one lives in poverty

    14 58.33%
  • To redistribute wealth so as to keep all citizens within a given range of each other

    5 20.83%
  • To create a dependent class that can be mobilized for votes

    5 20.83%
  • To socialize individual charity taking advantage of the superior efficiency of government

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Well said Sam, I didnt vote because none of the choice applied to how I view it either.
    Govt has to recognize that only a few will ever be successful and rich, most should be self sufficient and reasonably comfortable and a smaller percentage should need help from time to time...theres absolutely nothing wrong with govt providing that helping hand...because turtledude Cpwill the teaparty and our corporations ARE NEVER going to do it...
    Actually it's liberals who give less to charity In fact, people who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of FOUR TIMES more than people who accept that proposition.

    The haves used to be content with having alot more than everyone else, they took theirs and some of what was left around to their workers and that kept the middleclass strong and kept most americans working and able to sustain themselves and add to the tax rolls...when the culture of total greed kicked in and the haves decided they were entitled to it ALL they created a much larger group of unproductive non tax paying poor and a much smaller tax paying middleclass....they caused this by outsourcing as many middleclass incomes as they could for an extra buck, taking pensions and benefits and sticking it in their pockets.....they have no one to blame but themselves.
    interesting. so the middle class is a bunch of helpless victims, unable to take care of themselves? we require the wealthy to take care of us?

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    To ensure that those who are genuinely incapable of tending to their own needs and necessities are not simply cast aside in the name of profitability and inconvenience, alongside promoting income mobility through supplementary aid. Those who deride programs such as food stamps and unemployment benefits often do not consider the negative consequences that would coincide with a large chunk of society being forced to dip into the meager savings they may have accumulated in order to purchase necessities and daily needs.

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually it's liberals who give less to charity In fact, people who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of FOUR TIMES more than people who accept that proposition.

    Will the only reason the rich routinely give to charity is their accts tell them to for a tax benefit...yes there are some that are geniunely kind and give out of the goodness of their heart and then take the tax break.


    interesting. so the middle class is a bunch of helpless victims, unable to take care of themselves? we require the wealthy to take care of us?

    Charities cannot and would not successfully do near what the govt does and know what...I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT...its just a teaparty talking point

    Yes the middleclass are victims of the rich corporations who have devestated their jobs and their quality of life and their little security OUT OF GREED
    they are victims of vicious assaults on their pensions and benefits that give them comfort and the greedy outsourcing of every decent job they can..

    You got it all down Cpwill your just blame the wrong victims like the teaparty directs their flock to do...

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The primary purpose of social programs is to provide social stability. Bismark implemented one of the first social security systems because it proved the only effective tactic to removing the support base for marxists and anarchist. The poverty ridden lifestyle of a 19th century factory worker was bad enough that any kind of change seemed better. Having a minimum standard of living removed the desperation that makes revolution attractive and more importantly gave the common worker a reason to be invested in the status quo. Less radical but equally important, having less destitute people also limits crime.

    There is a reason that every modern nation with a decent economy has some kind of social programs, they are an absolute requirement to a successful nation state.
    Essentially this. When people become too poor, they become desperate and willing to listen to any crazy idea that may have the side effect of making their life easier. Notice the rise of golden dawn in greece. It is important we keep a nation that is stable enough to not consume itself in a french style revolution.

    If we have an underclass of people who have no hope for the future and no base standard of living, they have no reason to have emotional investment in the greater US society. It is that hope and idea that they the world is such that they are able to help themselves, even if they need government help to do so, or else it fosters a sense of anomie that is ultimately destructive.
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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "Making sure people don't fall into poverty" sure seems like it would fall under "ensuring that no one lives in poverty".


    It's no one part. As well as the live part. Having a safety net that helps lessen that problem and allows a way to recover is not as incompassing as your selection. SB lays out what he means rather clearly.

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    I'd love to see a lot more responses - 13 is terrible !
    Maybe this forum is America's elite, and not really indicative of how our nation is "thinking".
    IMO, the intentions of those who created this "socialism " are honorable, BUT , in cases, the results are not !
    Apparently, these results are in the 20% range, so we must work to lower this number...if humanly possible....

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The primary purpose of social programs is to provide social stability. Bismark implemented one of the first social security systems because it proved the only effective tactic to removing the support base for marxists and anarchist. The poverty ridden lifestyle of a 19th century factory worker was bad enough that any kind of change seemed better. Having a minimum standard of living removed the desperation that makes revolution attractive and more importantly gave the common worker a reason to be invested in the status quo. Less radical but equally important, having less destitute people also limits crime.

    There is a reason that every modern nation with a decent economy has some kind of social programs, they are an absolute requirement to a successful nation state.
    This, while not being a poll choice, is the right answer. It quells revolution and keeps the well-to-do safe from the desperate.
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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    The purpose of social programs is to make us all poor.

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually it's liberals who give less to charity In fact, people who reject the idea that "government has a responsibility to reduce income inequality" give an average of FOUR TIMES more than people who accept that proposition.



    interesting. so the middle class is a bunch of helpless victims, unable to take care of themselves? we require the wealthy to take care of us?
    No, but we DO need the wealthy to NOT prey upon us.
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