View Poll Results: What is the PRIMARY task of a social welfare system?

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  • To ensure that no one lives in poverty

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  • To redistribute wealth so as to keep all citizens within a given range of each other

    5 20.83%
  • To create a dependent class that can be mobilized for votes

    5 20.83%
  • To socialize individual charity taking advantage of the superior efficiency of government

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Don't forget the dependent contributors Congressmen and Senators want in order to get kickbacks in the form of campaign contributions in exchange for doling out government contracts, bailouts, and tax exemptions.

    A lot more corporate welfare is going on rather than social welfare, since politicians get a lot more bribes from corporate parasites than they do from poor people who need government help to get housing and food.
    much corporate "welfare" is quid pro quo stuff where the politicians are expecting a legitimate return

    such as we will give ACME corporation tax breaks if they locate a plant in our city so we get more jobs, more employment taxes etc

    subsidizing corporations increases corporations-which often is good

    subsidizing those on welfare creates more welfare recipients which in turn creates voters dependent on those who give them handouts. No one else benefits from that

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    much corporate "welfare" is quid pro quo stuff where the politicians are expecting a legitimate return

    such as we will give ACME corporation tax breaks if they locate a plant in our city so we get more jobs, more employment taxes etc

    subsidizing corporations increases corporations-which often is good

    subsidizing those on welfare creates more welfare recipients which in turn creates voters dependent on those who give them handouts. No one else benefits from that
    Except subsidizing corporations is corporate welfare. And tax exemptions given to one company is unfair because other companies, mostly small businesses, don't get the same tax breaks. Because they can't afford the lobbyists needed to get them. And lobbyists get them because they give campaign contributions to legislators to get them to vote their way for government contracts. Which is a handout to corporations. And costs the U.S. more in tax money paid and tax money uncollected than what social welfare programs cost.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    To make sure nobody gets screwed if they suddenly get laid off, or if they suffer from a chronic illness for which they can't pay the bills by themselves, or to prevent any of another dozen scenarios in which people's lives are completely turned upside down due to events that are out of their own control. In a phrase, to promote social stability and predictability.
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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    much corporate "welfare" is quid pro quo stuff where the politicians are expecting a legitimate return

    such as we will give ACME corporation tax breaks if they locate a plant in our city so we get more jobs, more employment taxes etc

    subsidizing corporations increases corporations-which often is good

    subsidizing those on welfare creates more welfare recipients which in turn creates voters dependent on those who give them handouts. No one else benefits from that


    That reminds me of a joke I heard recently.

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Except subsidizing corporations is corporate welfare. And tax exemptions given to one company is unfair because other companies, mostly small businesses, don't get the same tax breaks. Because they can't afford the lobbyists needed to get them. And lobbyists get them because they give campaign contributions to legislators to get them to vote their way for government contracts. Which is a handout to corporations. And costs the U.S. more in tax money paid and tax money uncollected than what social welfare programs cost.
    Lots of speculation on your part

    and you are just making unproven generalities.

    I remember when several midwest cities "bid" to have Toyota build a factory within their jurisdiction. Indiana won. Tell me-does the city that got the factory Lose tax money by not taxing Toyota for say it property taxes-land that was barren unproductive farm land?

    is the tax base INCREASED by that factory going there?

    creating more people sucking on the public tit only benefits one group of people-the politicians and bureaucrats who derive power by pandering to and serving those teat suckers.

    us taxpayers are not benefited by people we have to fund

    but a corporation moving to town and creating lots of jobs which in turn helps other businesses


    I think you are not right

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Lots of speculation on your part

    and you are just making unproven generalities.

    I remember when several midwest cities "bid" to have Toyota build a factory within their jurisdiction. Indiana won. Tell me-does the city that got the factory Lose tax money by not taxing Toyota for say it property taxes-land that was barren unproductive farm land?

    is the tax base INCREASED by that factory going there?



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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Lots of speculation on your part

    and you are just making unproven generalities.

    I remember when several midwest cities "bid" to have Toyota build a factory within their jurisdiction. Indiana won. Tell me-does the city that got the factory Lose tax money by not taxing Toyota for say it property taxes-land that was barren unproductive farm land?

    is the tax base INCREASED by that factory going there?

    creating more people sucking on the public tit only benefits one group of people-the politicians and bureaucrats who derive power by pandering to and serving those teat suckers.

    us taxpayers are not benefited by people we have to fund

    but a corporation moving to town and creating lots of jobs which in turn helps other businesses


    I think you are not right
    And yet you do not address the issue that Toyota suffers from an unfair business advantage over the other businesses in that area because the Toyota plant gets tax exemptions that all those other businesses who cannot afford lobbyists cannot get for themselves.

    And it may be the case that that area is benefiting from the corporate welfare provided to Toyota. Even so, it's still corporate welfare being doled out.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    And yet you do not address the issue that Toyota suffers from an unfair business advantage over the other businesses in that area because the Toyota plant gets tax exemptions that all those other businesses who cannot afford lobbyists cannot get for themselves.

    And it may be the case that that area is benefiting from the corporate welfare provided to Toyota. Even so, it's still corporate welfare being doled out.
    I don't consider it UNFAIR to be in a position to bargain effectively

    If Coke goes to walmart and says IF YOU PROMOTE coke products we will cut your wholesale price by 10C a can that is not wrong. That COKE might not do the same thing for Joe's Diner is based on business reality.

    YOu seem to be hung up on "corporate welfare" probably in an attempt to justify "create a dem voter" welfare. YOU seem to have an unrealistic understanding of economic reality and that if a mutually beneficially relationship is just that and to whine that someone else cannot get it really has ZERO relevance

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't consider it UNFAIR to be in a position to bargain effectively

    If Coke goes to walmart and says IF YOU PROMOTE coke products we will cut your wholesale price by 10C a can that is not wrong. That COKE might not do the same thing for Joe's Diner is based on business reality.

    YOu seem to be hung up on "corporate welfare" probably in an attempt to justify "create a dem voter" welfare. YOU seem to have an unrealistic understanding of economic reality and that if a mutually beneficially relationship is just that and to whine that someone else cannot get it really has ZERO relevance
    Except what Coke and Walmart do are determined by two private corporations, and if they wish to bargain in that way that is their right as private corporations.

    But when Walmart or any other large corporation is able to lobby governments for tax exemptions it is an unfair business practice to those small businesses that cannot afford the lobbying needed to get them despite small businesses a much larger part of the economy than large corporations are.

    And you can make whatever personal attacks against me you want to, but that does not stop you from being an advocate for corporate parasites who must resort to bribery in order to stay in business rather than pursue fair business practices.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: What is the primary purpose of social welfare policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Except what Coke and Walmart do are determined by two private corporations, and if they wish to bargain in that way that is their right as private corporations.

    But when Walmart or any other large corporation is able to lobby governments for tax exemptions it is an unfair business practice to those small businesses that cannot afford the lobbying needed to get them despite small businesses a much larger part of the economy than large corporations are.

    And you can make whatever personal attacks against me you want to, but that does not stop you from being an advocate for corporate parasites who must resort to bribery in order to stay in business rather than pursue fair business practices.
    how is it unfair for a city to bargain for a factory? who is hurt by this?

    and its not bribery. Of course if one hates corporations, the concept of contract and profit, I can see why you are upset

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