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Who do you believe will win in Nov

Who will win in Nov


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considering Romney has as much personality as a brick I would say Obama to win.
 
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considering Romney has as much personality as a brick I would say Obama to win.

actually I want to apologise for that comment it was a bit unfair.


to bricks
 
Seems ryan has given romney a boost. See cpwill I can admit it :) I just read Romney took the lead in Ohio, Fla and Wisconsin all big swing states in a quinnipiac poll which seem to be fair minded pollsters.

Quinnipiac: Obama Leading in Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin

There is also the a famously accurate poll model that predicts Presidential winners having romny as winning in nov...using thier model they have been 100% accurate since 1980 in predicting the winner.

Analysis of election factors points to Romney win, University of Colorado study says | University of Colorado Boulder

Do you believe Obama or Romney will win in Nov....I still believe the debates can turn the tide and firmly place the winner, however, going into the debates Romny/Ryan have a clear edge.

Obama will win.

For one, not enough conservatives like Romney enough to really support him.

For another, even though unemployment remains at 8%, I don't think enough American people will be able to sympathize with Romney over the foreclosures and job losses, especially considering that Wall Street gets bail outs but working people lose their homes, their health benefits, and their retirement fund.

So I think Obama is going to win the next election.
 
Will what your forgetting or omitting is that romney did TERRIBLE in every debate and thats not my statement that foxnews critiques and everyone else...he did lousy in debates...his salvation he was up against mostly total tards like bachman and the 999 pizza moron and ron paul who it wouldnt get him elected if he came out #1 every debate...

Bachman was a bit nutty and Cain didn't belong on the stage. Perry was the guy who was horrible at debates, though. Romney simply wasn't as good as Gingrich. Which is to say, he wasn't as good as one of the greatest public debaters currently speaking. Gingrich's problem isn't that he isn't smart or can't think on his feet - it is that he is a hypocrite, flighty, and tends to become a bombastic demagogue.

As for Romney v Obama; I see that coming out as probably a tie. Either might make a major slip-up, but you can't plan on either doing so. Both men have run tightly disciplined campaigns, and will probably continue to do so.

and yes you give the aura you worshop paul ryan

No. the only entity worthy of worship is God.

you accuse us of alot of things for one we wouldnt admit if ryan gave him a boost...but its pretty clear you dont find a single thing wrong with ryan or what he says buddy :) Ryan aint all that either

On the contrary, I have criticized Ryan for supporting the original auto bailouts and for failing to push forward support for Social Security reform. It's just that, among our political class, Ryan is the best that we currently have when it comes to avoiding our looming fiscal crises.
 
Firstly, other than the original poster you two are the only ones posting. The poll was "Who do you think will win" not "I believe they are both philosophically mute."

Secondly it all really depends on Ohio. But I still say Obama.

Sorry, it's just frustrating that everybody thinks there is a choice. Romney is a fraudulent nominee. Both him and Obama are threats to our livelihood. Everybody is so duped by the media, it's sickening.
 
Seems ryan has given romney a boost. See cpwill I can admit it :) I just read Romney took the lead in Ohio, Fla and Wisconsin all big swing states in a quinnipiac poll which seem to be fair minded pollsters.

Quinnipiac: Obama Leading in Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin

There is also the a famously accurate poll model that predicts Presidential winners having romny as winning in nov...using thier model they have been 100% accurate since 1980 in predicting the winner.

Analysis of election factors points to Romney win, University of Colorado study says | University of Colorado Boulder

Do you believe Obama or Romney will win in Nov....I still believe the debates can turn the tide and firmly place the winner, however, going into the debates Romny/Ryan have a clear edge.

I voted that I think Obama will win. But he'll have to do it knowing that I'll be voting for Romney. ;) I actually think it's going to be a horse race. I'm eagerly awaiting the October surprises.
 
Sorry, it's just frustrating that everybody thinks there is a choice. Romney is a fraudulent nominee. Both him and Obama are threats to our livelihood. Everybody is so duped by the media, it's sickening.

I don't know about all of that. People are getting what they are asking for and sadly they are asking for scum. What they want done takes a certain type of person and sadly that person is a scumbag. It will always be like this for the demands that they have and until they change those demands they will not get better choices.
 
I'm not sure if that is more of a dream or a reality, but I'm leaning heavily towards a dream. I think its a magical thought to think the men and women that choose to join the military ranks will not simply gun us down if ordered to do so, and I can't think of any sort of substantial history to back up these claims they wouldn't. The truth is the government would jail and kill them if they said no and I doubt they are unaware of such truths. I think as soon as any sort of problems arose our men and women would start getting jailed and charged with treason and in no time flat the problems would simply disappear in the military ranks.



I just don't see this making any sort of difference at all. Oaths themselves have never shown themselves to be anything more than words.
Obviously you have never taken that oath, or any oath like it. If you had than you would know that it is more than just words.

Loyalty (we will always be there for you)
Duty (we do what must be done)
Respect (we treat everyone with the common courtesy that they deserve)
Selfless Service (the things that we do are done for your benefit not just our own)
Honor (we hold ourselves to a higher standard of morality and action)
Integrity (even if we are wrong we take full responsibility for our own actions)
Personal Courage (those things that frighten us or give us pause will not stop us from fulfilling our duty)

This is no dream. This is what we live by.
 
I don't know about all of that. People are getting what they are asking for and sadly they are asking for scum. What they want done takes a certain type of person and sadly that person is a scumbag. It will always be like this for the demands that they have and until they change those demands they will not get better choices.

Are you saying that their demands are to let the military industrial complex run amok and finish running us into the ground with the exorbitant spending and false flag wars? Because that's exactly what's going to happen. Even I can see that and I don't know the first thing about politics.
 
I don't know about all of that. People are getting what they are asking for and sadly they are asking for scum. What they want done takes a certain type of person and sadly that person is a scumbag. It will always be like this for the demands that they have and until they change those demands they will not get better choices.
Eh scumbag is a bit harsh, but I agree with the sentiment that we get what we ask for in a politician.
 
I think Romney will win, however, I know nothing is certain.

No matter what happens I pretty much think this is true:

“I think that the country could survive four more years of Obama, but I don’t believe the country can survive in a country full of people who would re-elect him.”
 
Bachman was a bit nutty and Cain didn't belong on the stage. Perry was the guy who was horrible at debates, though. Romney simply wasn't as good as Gingrich. Which is to say, he wasn't as good as one of the greatest public debaters currently speaking. Gingrich's problem isn't that he isn't smart or can't think on his feet - it is that he is a hypocrite, flighty, and tends to become a bombastic demagogue.

As for Romney v Obama; I see that coming out as probably a tie. Either might make a major slip-up, but you can't plan on either doing so. Both men have run tightly disciplined campaigns, and will probably continue to do so.



No. the only entity worthy of worship is God.



On the contrary, I have criticized Ryan for supporting the original auto bailouts and for failing to push forward support for Social Security reform. It's just that, among our political class, Ryan is the best that we currently have when it comes to avoiding our looming fiscal crises.


Short on memory or selective memory ? throughout the entire primary Romeny was accused by Conservative and liberal media alike of dodging every single question during the debates...he was labeled a far less than stellar debater. He was just as picked apart by the conservative press while there was a DIFFERENT GOP FLAVOR of the month thing going on...you know where the lead and the GREATEST title lept from GOP candidate to candidate and in the end Romney never saying anything and all his money prevailed....I didnt forget all that Cpwill...Romney was EVERYONES last choice
 
I voted "I don't know", because I don't know who will win, I only know who will lose. The American people. It is not really a question of win or lose for us, it is a question of how much we lose.
 
I voted that I think Obama will win. But he'll have to do it knowing that I'll be voting for Romney. ;) I actually think it's going to be a horse race. I'm eagerly awaiting the October surprises.

(bold mine)

Is the "October surprise" even a real thing? I've been hearing about these October surprises for years now, but either nothing happens or it's the same old crap that happens throughout the rest of the year...it just happens in October.
 
Anyway, I think Obama will win, but of course it'll be razor thin as usual. We'll vote for Obama because he practices at least some progressive beliefs (although certainly not very effectively). And Republicans will vote for Romney because their hatred for Obama is so great they don't even care that their own candidate isn't even a real person.
 
They are just not us. They are them and we are us. That is how it is. They are the citizens that rule over everyone else while we are the ones being ruled. I don't think you can actually get around that. I have seen plenty tell me, but we elect them, but that means nothing to my fact that I presented. All it means is we have input on who rules us, but it doesn't even explore the amount of input that gives or the amount of choices it provides nor does it actually even face the reality that they are still ruling over everyone else. Its basically like saying if you are hired onto a company and you get a vote on who the ceo is that you are the ceo. It makes no sense. Obviously you are not the CEO and obviously he has the power to run the company and has your job in his hands. All dreams and fairytales aside that is how it is. I do see how that is libertarian belief, but I surely see how that is basic reality that is inescapable.

Anyway, this whole idea of making them scared of us is built on a false premise pretty much. Its assuming we have the power to make them scared or threaten them and that we hold more might over them at any point in time. The fact is they could wipe us off the planet whenever they felt like it and we gave them that power long ago and did so over and over again throughout centuries of time. You want to deny these facts, go right ahead, but the military might says otherwise. It would be wonderful if they were scared of us, but that doesn't happen all that often and its not happening now.
If there was one single reason why Reagan was so popular, it was because he was more of one of us then one of them. Listening to his speeches, he always had that presence. I work for the American citizens, they are my boss and I represent them. A government as a whole should not have to physically fear its people, but I would at least hope that more elected officials fear losing their jobs if they stop working for the people. Too many are in for too long, not that I favor term limits. I actually do not. I feel that if there is a represetative that does a great job for their community and is well liked, they should go on serving. The term limits should be based on job performance.

Now, holy hell, these guys are running for office and while campaigning are only being slaves to the wealthy puppet masters. Or to the party or to anyone who has dirt on them and will expose it. We have lost our way here in politics, but we can quickly get it back by expecting more from our politicians and voting them out based on results. By doing so, politicians would be more likely to do a better job knowing that simply running a slick campaign isn't going to be enough, or to raise a gazillion dollars to outspend the opponent. It is the job in office that will get them re-elected. And proving themselves legitimately on the way up as well.
 
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