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    Re: Who do you believe will win in Nov

    it's still trending Obama, but as i've said before, it's a relatively long time until November, at least politically.

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    Re: Who do you believe will win in Nov

    Quote Originally Posted by comedy4all View Post
    I tend to agree with the statement that you have made but I would change one big thing. It is not just the right, libertarians, and the republicans it is the entire political system that has been corrupted. We the people need to pay more attention to what is going on and get more active in the process. The people need to audit the government. A government should always fear the people not the other way around.
    Here is one area I would disagree with which is often a libertarian belief. I do not want a government to fear its people. I also do not want the people to fear its government. I would much rather the government to be OF the people and that there is far less separation. We so often use the terms "them" to describe governing powers that be, whereas it should be more of an us.

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    Re: Who do you believe will win in Nov

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    Here is one area I would disagree with which is often a libertarian belief. I do not want a government to fear its people. I also do not want the people to fear its government. I would much rather the government to be OF the people and that there is far less separation. We so often use the terms "them" to describe governing powers that be, whereas it should be more of an us.
    I agree.
    Let me try to clarify the word fear. I actually bastardized the quote "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty” By Thomas Jefferson. The fear that I was alluding to was the same as if you fear god. It is a respect that is based on the fact that the one that you “fear” is more powerful than you. The government as an institution should “fear” (respect as more powerful than itself) the people. It is one of the meconium’s that keeps the government from overstepping its bounds.

    I hope that makes more sense.
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    Re: Who do you believe will win in Nov

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I would have thought ryan would have made you happy..
    You would be wrong in that belief.

    Ryan is not putting out a plan that actually solves the problem.
    Ryan does not support almost anything that I do.
    I would never vote for a president that I find disgusting because I happen to like the VP.

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    Re: Who do you believe will win in Nov

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    Here is one area I would disagree with which is often a libertarian belief. I do not want a government to fear its people. I also do not want the people to fear its government. I would much rather the government to be OF the people and that there is far less separation. We so often use the terms "them" to describe governing powers that be, whereas it should be more of an us.
    They are just not us. They are them and we are us. That is how it is. They are the citizens that rule over everyone else while we are the ones being ruled. I don't think you can actually get around that. I have seen plenty tell me, but we elect them, but that means nothing to my fact that I presented. All it means is we have input on who rules us, but it doesn't even explore the amount of input that gives or the amount of choices it provides nor does it actually even face the reality that they are still ruling over everyone else. Its basically like saying if you are hired onto a company and you get a vote on who the ceo is that you are the ceo. It makes no sense. Obviously you are not the CEO and obviously he has the power to run the company and has your job in his hands. All dreams and fairytales aside that is how it is. I do see how that is libertarian belief, but I surely see how that is basic reality that is inescapable.

    Anyway, this whole idea of making them scared of us is built on a false premise pretty much. Its assuming we have the power to make them scared or threaten them and that we hold more might over them at any point in time. The fact is they could wipe us off the planet whenever they felt like it and we gave them that power long ago and did so over and over again throughout centuries of time. You want to deny these facts, go right ahead, but the military might says otherwise. It would be wonderful if they were scared of us, but that doesn't happen all that often and its not happening now.

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    Re: Who do you believe will win in Nov

    Quote Originally Posted by comedy4all View Post
    I agree.
    Let me try to clarify the word fear. I actually bastardized the quote "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty” By Thomas Jefferson. The fear that I was alluding to was the same as if you fear god. It is a respect that is based on the fact that the one that you “fear” is more powerful than you. The government as an institution should “fear” (respect as more powerful than itself) the people. It is one of the meconium’s that keeps the government from overstepping its bounds.

    I hope that makes more sense.
    I like that quote. I believe that quote. Unfortunately, Congress already fears the people. They fear their not getting re-elected more than they fear the people -- which is why they're spending us broke. Largess buys votes--on both sides of the aisle.
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    Re: Who do you believe will win in Nov

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I like that quote. I believe that quote. Unfortunately, Congress already fears the people. They fear their not getting re-elected more than they fear the people -- which is why they're spending us broke. Largess buys votes--on both sides of the aisle.
    You mean this quote:

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
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    There is a reason the founders went out of their way to make sure that kind of thing was impossible and there is a reason they made a point to say what they were setting up was NOT a democracy.

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    Re: Who do you believe will win in Nov

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You mean this quote:

    There is a reason the founders went out of their way to make sure that kind of thing was impossible and there is a reason they made a point to say what they were setting up was NOT a democracy.
    I've always liked:

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    That is exactly what's going on today. And it works both ways.
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    Re: Who do you believe will win in Nov

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They are just not us. They are them and we are us. That is how it is. They are the citizens that rule over everyone else while we are the ones being ruled. I don't think you can actually get around that. I have seen plenty tell me, but we elect them, but that means nothing to my fact that I presented. All it means is we have input on who rules us, but it doesn't even explore the amount of input that gives or the amount of choices it provides nor does it actually even face the reality that they are still ruling over everyone else. Its basically like saying if you are hired onto a company and you get a vote on who the ceo is that you are the ceo. It makes no sense. Obviously you are not the CEO and obviously he has the power to run the company and has your job in his hands. All dreams and fairytales aside that is how it is. I do see how that is libertarian belief, but I surely see how that is basic reality that is inescapable.

    Anyway, this whole idea of making them scared of us is built on a false premise pretty much. Its assuming we have the power to make them scared or threaten them and that we hold more might over them at any point in time. The fact is they could wipe us off the planet whenever they felt like it and we gave them that power long ago and did so over and over again throughout centuries of time. You want to deny these facts, go right ahead, but the military might says otherwise. It would be wonderful if they were scared of us, but that doesn't happen all that often and its not happening now.
    That assumes that the military is not made up of “us”. Threw out history the military was the dog of the government; America is different in that the military is made up of free people that were raised to protect freedom not the government. We that make up the military take an oath which includes “I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic”. This means that if someone in a high office shows themselves to be an enemy of the constitution that the military has a duty to the people first and foremost over any illegal order.

    I feel sorry for any government official that tries to use the U.S. military against the people of the United States.
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    Re: Who do you believe will win in Nov

    Not a clue. There's been a lot of back and forth and mostly the polls are too close to call either decisively... and it is early yet, plenty of time for someone to stick foot-in-mouth.

    Most of the time, if it is too close to call, chance favors the incumbent.

    So, dunno.

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