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    Re: Should Only Elites Participate in Politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The Iraq war was not a sham. Financial institutions bankrupted themselves. And you cannot hold the entirety of the "elite" responsible for what a few people did at the level of corporate fraud. That would be like calling all poor druggies or the likes. Get off your high horse.
    The war in Iraq was pushed by think tanks, foreign policy experts, and Neo-Cons that believed some visions of spreading Democracy by the use of the US military and overthrowing Saddam. The truth is that a vendor in Tunisia had more to do with spreading Democracy in the Middle East and now those that origionally advocated Democracy in the middle east aren't really happy with what those Democracies look like.

    Who exactly runs Financial institutions? The people? It's a small sector of elites that make salaries exponentially higher than most Americans.

    Also you can hold elites responsible. It was widespread through various industries and it comes with a culture of lack of accountability and greed. Your worth is dictated by your stock price and bank account not by any other measure.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: Should Only Elites Participate in Politics?

    Artistic elite? You mean the people who've become rich off of artistic ability?

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    Re: Should Only Elites Participate in Politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The war in Iraq was pushed by think tanks, foreign policy experts, and Neo-Cons that believed some visions of spreading Democracy by the use of the US military and overthrowing Saddam. The truth is that a vendor in Tunisia had more to do with spreading Democracy in the Middle East and now those that origionally advocated Democracy in the middle east aren't really happy with what those Democracies look like.

    Who exactly runs Financial institutions? The people? It's a small sector of elites that make salaries exponentially higher than most Americans.

    Also you can hold elites responsible. It was widespread through various industries and it comes with a culture of lack of accountability and greed. Your worth is dictated by your stock price and bank account not by any other measure.
    You are still grouping an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. Are all poor people drug addicts? Do all gays have aids? Where do you draw the line on where you justify these pathetic stereotypes?

    Let me guess, it's ok to stereotype people if you are jealous of their wealth or if they do not agree with the liberal agenda. Does that about sum it up?
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    Re: Should Only Elites Participate in Politics?

    Let me guess, it's ok to stereotype people if you are jealous of their wealth or if they do not agree with the liberal agenda. Does that about sum it up?
    *yawn* so you're going to just regurgitate dumb talking points. Thanks but no thanks not interested in that sort of discussion.
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    Re: Should Only Elites Participate in Politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Short answer: probably not, because it is most likely that the elites would look out for their own interests first, the interests of "their kind" second, and everyone else a distant third at best.


    Longer answer:

    First we have to define "Elites". Do we mean the academic elite (those with doctorates from reputable universities who have published in peer-reviewed journals)?

    Do we mean the artistic elite?

    Do we mean the economic elite? Those who have risen from mediocrity to billionaire status?

    Do we mean the politicial elite? Well one could argue that they're already running the show, for the most part.

    Perhaps we mean the blue-bloods... the old-money families who have maintained a condition of wealth and status for several generations, whose children invariably graduate from Hahvahd or other Ivy League colleges... well actually they're pretty well-represented in DC too, by the Kennedys, the Bush's, the Hines-Kerry's, etc.

    Plato (IIRC) wrote in his tretise Republic that the rulers should be a small group of elite philosopher-kings, highly educated and the only ones told the truth about how the world really works, while the general populace was educated only as much as needed and indoctrinated in beliefs that would theoretically cause them to be productive, orderly citizens who respected and obeyed the ruling class. In return the philosopher-kings would regard the common citizenry much like children and look after them via their greater wisdom.

    All utopias begin with the premise "if only people would behave themselves like they OUGHT to..."

    Plato was one of the few who had a notion of how you achieve this, but I don't care for his vision much to be honest. I'm not overly fond of being told what to do period... being told what to do by a government in which I have no input would likely cause me to raise the Gadsden flag and go to war.
    You tell it, brother. Success by my definition is being a honorable tribute to your fellow man or woman. Many "elites" are miserable failures at being human. Show me a person that is a good friend to many, a good parent, a good neighbor, someone who contributes to the betterment of their community, who respects other people and works hard at being humble and compassionate. They have my greatest respect. They are the America I love and the people I want involved in my government.

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    Re: Should Only Elites Participate in Politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    You are still grouping an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. Are all poor people drug addicts? Do all gays have aids? Where do you draw the line on where you justify these pathetic stereotypes?

    Let me guess, it's ok to stereotype people if you are jealous of their wealth or if they do not agree with the liberal agenda. Does that about sum it up?
    Actually, I did not see any of those thoughts in the post you are responding to. The group, a/k/a, Republicans want de-regulation, more tax breaks for the scumbags, and are bought and sold by US Big Corporations. Doesn't sound like a few to me, and a whole crotch full of aspiring GWShiiteForBrains ready to expand the GWShiiteForBrains Great Depression. Have you and Mr Winkle been sleeping for a few years?

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    Re: Should Only Elites Participate in Politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    *yawn* so you're going to just regurgitate dumb talking points. Thanks but no thanks not interested in that sort of discussion.
    run away. take your ignorance with you.
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    Re: Should Only Elites Participate in Politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Actually, I did not see any of those thoughts in the post you are responding to. The group, a/k/a, Republicans want de-regulation, more tax breaks for the scumbags, and are bought and sold by US Big Corporations. Doesn't sound like a few to me, and a whole crotch full of aspiring GWShiiteForBrains ready to expand the GWShiiteForBrains Great Depression. Have you and Mr Winkle been sleeping for a few years?
    That doesnt even begin to make sense. Please take some time to develop a coherent thought and then reply to me again. I'll check in later to see how you are progressing.
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    Re: Should Only Elites Participate in Politics?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Artistic elite? You mean the people who've become rich off of artistic ability?
    I'll see your Beiber and raise you a Flava Flav

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    This is the man I want determining national policy. Couldn't be any worse than the existing clowns.

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    Should Only Elites Participate in Politics?

    Plato's Republic.

    No, but we should distrust populism.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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