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Are Romney's undisclosed taxes equally relavant to Obama's college records?

Are Ronmey's undisclosed tax returns equal in importance to Obama's college records?

  • Yes. Obama's college records are of equal value to Romney's tax returns

    Votes: 15 22.4%

  • No. Its just the best political come back the GOP can come up with under the circumstances

    Votes: 29 43.3%

  • Neither tax or college records matter in the election.

    Votes: 17 25.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 6 9.0%
  • Total voters
    67
Both of those arguments have the same relevance to me as this one.

I have heard that Mitt Romney/ Barack Obama have dirty finger nails. He must prove that he does not have dirty finger nails by showing us his finger nails. He is hiding his nails because they are dirty. This leads me to the conclusion that mitt Romney / Barack Obama hates and has contempt for people who clean their finger nails.
 
Mycroft said:
Ahhh...I see. No problem, then.

I don't have your religious or racial biases, so I can't comment on your opinions about the Mormon Church or whether there is any racial favoritism in the Winter Olympics (kind of doubt that one, though). I look at Romney's record regarding the Olympics as a successful endeavor to rescue, revive and successfully pull off a massive world-wide sporting event. It was really quite an accomplishment.
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Utter nonsense. Romney got his Mormons on base to fund the damn thing and then begged for federal money from the government (which a lot of "small government conservatives" seem to forget). If that is what "running" an event is, you may as well start calling GM a well managed company.

Now, comparing that accomplishment to Obama's successes as a community activist? Given the fact that I don't really know WHAT Obama accomplished during that period, I'm having difficulty here. Maybe the best thing about his time as a community activist was the education and connections he received in the Chicago political machine. We can be sure those were instrumental in his ability to get where he is today.
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Hatuey said:
Utter nonsense. Romney got his Mormons on base to fund the damn thing and then begged for federal money from the government (which a lot of "small government conservatives" seem to forget). If that is what "running" an event is, you may as well start calling GM a well managed company.

Okay...so you don't like the way he did it. Good for you. But you cannot deny his accomplishment.

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LOL!!

Yep...posting that picture is a good way to avoid making a cogent response.

Good job, dude.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

Yep...posting that picture is a good way to avoid making a cogent response.

Good job, dude.
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There is no logical way to respond to an illogical assessment of Chicago politics. If you find them to be any dirtier than the politics in Massachusetts where entire political dynasties have been born, then hey, I can't really argue with that kind of nonsense.
 
Hatuey said:
There is no logical way to respond to an illogical assessment of Chicago politics. If you find them to be any dirtier than the politics in Massachusetts where entire political dynasties have been born, then hey, I can't really argue with that kind of nonsense.
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Ummm...

You DO know how Obama got to where he is today, don't you? Hint: It wasn't by convincing people that he was ever the best man for the job.
 
Mycroft said:
Ummm...

You DO know how Obama got to where he is today, don't you? Hint: It wasn't by convincing people that he was ever the best man for the job.
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Please do inform us then.
 
haymarket said:
Please do inform us then.
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Well...I must say I'm surprised by your response. I thought, surely, that someone who defends Obama would know about him...but on second thought, you don't actually defend him. You only attack his opponents.

Anyway, this is how it happened:

He became a State Senator, not by winning his nomination, but by knocking his opponents out of the race. He got the nomination by default. When he ran for U.S. Senator, he got his Democratic opponents divorce papers exposed, causing him to withdraw. Again, he got his nomination by default. The then pulled the same trick on his Republican opponent, causing him to withdraw and the Republican replacements was so inept, Obama cruised to an easy victory.

Chicago political tactics at its best.

Now...in his previous and current Presidential races, he obviously can't make his opponents withdraw...but he didn't...and now doesn't...hesitate to try to smear his opponents in any way possible.

More Chicago political tactics.

He had an easier time with McCain...in large part by connecting McCain to Bush. He's having a harder time with Romney...but he's trying his best. Witness the current taxer tactics.

Bottom line: Obama has never won a race based solely on his qualifications and positions. He has always used sleazy Chicago political tactics.

You know, haymarket...some people would charge good money for providing an education. You're lucky I don't need your money and that I'm doing it for free.
 
Mycroft said:
What international tax shelter scandal?
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The one that would be reported on a 2009 tax return. The only real reason why Romney would let people go on thinking he paid no taxes for a decade is because releasing his returns that show he did pay (which he did) would show something far more scandalous. The only two that come to mind in the years in question that are worse then letting people think you paid no taxes for a decade is either the UBS or the KPMG one. Letting the Democrats go hog wild on you and fueling the rumors you paid nothing when it is incredibly easy to prove them wrong is bad. Letting the Democrats know you got caught in a scandal is epically worse. From a tax position stand point, it is in Romney's best interest to let people think he paid nothing rather then let them know he got caught.
 
obvious Child said:
The one that would be reported on a 2009 tax return. The only real reason why Romney would let people go on thinking he paid no taxes for a decade is because releasing his returns that show he did pay (which he did) would show something far more scandalous. The only two that come to mind in the years in question that are worse then letting people think you paid no taxes for a decade is either the UBS or the KPMG one. Letting the Democrats go hog wild on you and fueling the rumors you paid nothing when it is incredibly easy to prove them wrong is bad. Letting the Democrats know you got caught in a scandal is epically worse. From a tax position stand point, it is in Romney's best interest to let people think he paid nothing rather then let them know he got caught.
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I see...

So there really isn't a scandal...but you think there MIGHT be one.

Do you realize you are on the same sheet of music as the Birthers?
 
Mycroft said:
I see...

So there really isn't a scandal...but you think there MIGHT be one.

Do you realize you are on the same sheet of music as the Birthers?
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On the contrary, I know Romney paid taxes.

Merely because you are unaware of what actually occurs does not make me a taxer. Furthermore, the fact that I know Romney paid eliminate that pathetic labeling attempt. I have never once argued Romney didn't pay. In fact I have come out stating he did pay. So you can put away that pathetic line (despite the fact that declaring yourself not a birther you have in fact use birther arguments).

Let's do this slowly for you:
1) Romney is fueling his own rumors he paid nothing to the detriment of his campaign
2) Romney is letting the Democrats get away with this

Now, why would Romney let his opponents keep pushing a rumor and HIMSELF contribute to it if there wasn't something WORSE then not paying taxes?
The Romney campaign is doing cost vs benefit. The cost of proving Reid full of **** (which he is) is not worth the cost of revealing a tax scandal.

You don't let a rumor like this go on unless the cost of disproving it is worse.

Seriously, use some critical thinking for a change.
 
obvious Child said:
On the contrary, I know Romney paid taxes.

Merely because you are unaware of what actually occurs does not make me a taxer. Furthermore, the fact that I know Romney paid eliminate that pathetic labeling attempt. I have never once argued Romney didn't pay. In fact I have come out stating he did pay. So you can put away that pathetic line (despite the fact that declaring yourself not a birther you have in fact use birther arguments).

Let's do this slowly for you:
1) Romney is fueling his own rumors he paid nothing to the detriment of his campaign
2) Romney is letting the Democrats get away with this

Now, why would Romney let his opponents keep pushing a rumor and HIMSELF contribute to it if there wasn't something WORSE then not paying taxes?
The Romney campaign is doing cost vs benefit. The cost of proving Reid full of **** (which he is) is not worth the cost of revealing a tax scandal.

You don't let a rumor like this go on unless the cost of disproving it is worse.

Seriously, use some critical thinking for a change.
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You misunderstand what a "taxer" is. A taxer is someone obsessed with seeing Romney's tax returns. Plain and simple. And you, my friend, are obsessed. What you hope to find if he ever does release them is immaterial.
 
Mycroft said:
You misunderstand what a "taxer" is. A taxer is someone obsessed with seeing Romney's tax returns. Plain and simple. And you, my friend, are obsessed. What you hope to find if he ever does release them is immaterial.
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On the contrary, you just made that up. Taxers are concerned with whether or not Romney paid taxes. I know he paid taxes. Therefore I'm not a taxer. What I'm concerned primarily about is this lack of transparency. If Romney will not release tax returns, he will be honest about things as a President. I am curious just which scandal he got involved in, but that does not affect my vote.

You want more Obama secrecy? Vote for Romney.

And I'm not your friend. You are way too hypocritical for that.

Oh Look, a self proclaimed taxer:

The Ostroy Report: <a name="8612">I'm a "Taxer"</a>

"You've heard of "Birthers?" Those relentless, ubiquitous conspiracy zealots who insist that Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen and therefore not eligible to be president? Well, I'm a Taxer. I believe Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, has failed to pay his fair share of taxes for the past ten years or more and I demand that he release his returns to prove otherwise"

Huh. I'm not a taxer. You fail.
 
obvious Child said:
On the contrary, you just made that up. Taxers are concerned with whether or not Romney paid taxes. I know he paid taxes. Therefore I'm not a taxer. What I'm concerned primarily about is this lack of transparency. If Romney will not release tax returns, he will be honest about things as a President. I am curious just which scandal he got involved in, but that does not affect my vote.

You want more Obama secrecy? Vote for Romney.

And I'm not your friend. You are way too hypocritical for that.

Oh Look, a self proclaimed taxer:

The Ostroy Report: <a name="8612">I'm a "Taxer"</a>

"You've heard of "Birthers?" Those relentless, ubiquitous conspiracy zealots who insist that Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen and therefore not eligible to be president? Well, I'm a Taxer. I believe Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee for president, has failed to pay his fair share of taxes for the past ten years or more and I demand that he release his returns to prove otherwise"

Huh. I'm not a taxer. You fail.
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As long as you continue to call for Romney to release his tax forms...for what ever reason...I will continue to call you a taxer. Just like you would call anyone who says anything about Obama's birth certificate a birther.

But, hey, I don't blame you for wanting to avoid looking as crazy as the birthers...even if you really are. I mean...in essence, you are saying "I think he was involved in a scandal, but since I have no proof, I want him to give me all his tax returns so I can examine them for something that may or may not be there....oh, but don't get me wrong...this won't affect my vote in the slightest".

What a crock!!
 
Smeagol said:
There has been much in the news lately about Mitt Romney's tax returns that he won't release. Many of his supporters claim its unnecessary, irrelevant and then cite President Obama's undisclosed college records as presumably an equal example of their opposition not being completely transparent while holding Romney to a double standard. I'm probably the most objective person I know on political matters if I must say so myself. I think both Obama and Romney have something to hide. However, I don't think Obama's college records are anywhere near as relevant a campaign issue as Mitt Romney's taxes for a variety of reasons. My question is do you think President Obama's college transcripts are equally relevant and an important factor to consider in the 2012 election as Mitt Romney's undisclosed tax returns?
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according to this poll a big NO
 
Romney's disclosed enough. Now it's time for the president to follow suit.
 
Smeagol said:
There has been much in the news lately about Mitt Romney's tax returns that he won't release. Many of his supporters claim its unnecessary, irrelevant and then cite President Obama's undisclosed college records as presumably an equal example of their opposition not being completely transparent while holding Romney to a double standard. I'm probably the most objective person I know on political matters if I must say so myself. I think both Obama and Romney have something to hide. However, I don't think Obama's college records are anywhere near as relevant a campaign issue as Mitt Romney's taxes for a variety of reasons. My question is do you think President Obama's college transcripts are equally relevant and an important factor to consider in the 2012 election as Mitt Romney's undisclosed tax returns?
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"More than two thirds of Independents (67%) want Mitt Romney to release more tax returns."

63% of Americans Demand That Mitt Romney Release His Tax Returns


Since there is no corresponding response from independents over the president's college records, we can definitively say that Romney's tax returns and the president's college records are not comparable.
 
I think Obama should offer the original copy of his birth certificate in exchange for Romeny's taxes.

It undermines Romney's credibility with the center if he agrees, by acting as if this is still a legit topic.

If Romney refuses he undermines himself with the extreme right.

Either way it contrasts how Obama had to release his BC, but Romney doesn't have to release his taxes.
 
pimptight said:
I think Obama should offer the original copy of his birth certificate in exchange for Romeny's taxes.
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Romney would be more than happy to show 10 years of his tax returns if Obama showed his original birth certificate from Kenya.
 
johnny_rebson said:
Romney would be more than happy to show 10 years of his tax returns if Obama showed his original birth certificate from Kenya.
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More than 2/3 of independents want Romney to release his tax returns, where are your statistics that show 2/3 of independents are birthers like the far right?
 
Catawba said:
More than 2/3 of independents want Romney to release his tax returns, where are your statistics that show 2/3 of independents are birthers like the far right?
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Honestly, I recognize that most find the BC thing to be frivolous, but I did some deep reading on it, and there are still actually some unanswered questions, that releasing the original of his long form could dispel.

I'm not saying I believe it, but that I don't trust anything from the MSM these days. (FYI by MSM, I mean everything owned by the 6 corporations that is in print and on TV, and the 4 corporations that control the search engines on the internet.)
 
pimptight said:
Honestly, I recognize that most find the BC thing to be frivolous, but I did some deep reading on it, and there are still actually some unanswered questions, that releasing the original of his long form could dispel.

I'm not saying I believe it, but that I don't trust anything from the MSM these days. (FYI by MSM, I mean everything owned by the 6 corporations that is in print and on TV, and the 4 corporations that control the search engines on the internet.)
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Unless someone proves that Obama is capable of time travel that would have enabled him to get his birth announcement printed in two different Hawaiian newspapers at the time of his birth, myself and most of the independents are not concerned with the birther claims.
 
Catawba said:
Unless someone proves that Obama is capable of time travel that would have enabled him to get his birth announcement printed in two different Hawaiian newspapers at the time of his birth, myself and most of the independents are not concerned with the birther claims.
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I don't know how many times I posted the same thing before.

If your interested, I will PM you the equivalent counter argument that seems just as undeniable. Go search numbers next to fields for Obama's long form if you want to look for yourself.

Like I said, at this point no one has any credibility left in my book.

I'll tell you this much, neither side of this argument is crazier than the facts behind what must have taken place to fix the LIBOR. I think people need to redefine what they think is plausible.
 
pimptight said:
I don't know how many times I posted the same thing before.

If your interested, I will PM you the equivalent counter argument that seems just as undeniable. Go search numbers next to fields for Obama's long form if you want to look for yourself.

Like I said, at this point no one has any credibility left in my book.

I'll tell you this much, neither side of this argument is crazier than the facts behind what must have taken place to fix the LIBOR. I think people need to redefine what they think is plausible.
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If you have proof that Obama can time travel, I would be interested in seeing it.
 
Mycroft said:
As long as you continue to call for Romney to release his tax forms...for what ever reason...I will continue to call you a taxer. Just like you would call anyone who says anything about Obama's birth certificate a birther.
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Actually I don't really care if he does or not. I can logically conclude what is the likely thing Romney is trying to hide and I entirely agree with his decision from a campaign stand point to not release because I actually understand the topic, unlike you. You however, do not seem to be capable of critically analyzing the situation.

Romney is actively helping the Obama campaign tear him down by fueling rumors he paid next to nothing legally by refusing to release his returns. You don't help your opponent make your election more unlikely unless disproving the rumor results in a disclosure worse then the rumor you're trying to squash.

But for some asinine reason you think that it's normal for campaigns to actively help their opponents tear them down. That is a sign of serious partisan hackery.

His refusal to do so leads back to my point that Romney will continue Obama's secrecy. So anyone who criticizes Obama on secrecy should demand Romney release his returns. Or you're a partisan hypocrite.

But, hey, I don't blame you for wanting to avoid looking as crazy as the birthers...even if you really are. I mean...in essence, you are saying "I think he was involved in a scandal, but since I have no proof, I want him to give me all his tax returns so I can examine them for something that may or may not be there....oh, but don't get me wrong...this won't affect my vote in the slightest".

What a crock!!
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It helps to actually read what I wrote. I can logically conclude what he's trying to hide. I also can logically conclude that breaking a tradition of transparency sets a tone for how he'll be as a President.

You seem to have a problem with Obama's secrecy, but have no problem with Romney starting off with secrecy before he's even elected. Furthermore, you have this asinine notion it's normal for campaigns to help their opponents win.

And you call me a crock.
 
pimptight said:
Honestly, I recognize that most find the BC thing to be frivolous, but I did some deep reading on it, and there are still actually some unanswered questions, that releasing the original of his long form could dispel.
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There is no long Hawaii birth form.

You're asking for a document that doesn't exist.
 
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