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Are Romney's undisclosed taxes equally relavant to Obama's college records?

Are Ronmey's undisclosed tax returns equal in importance to Obama's college records?

  • Yes. Obama's college records are of equal value to Romney's tax returns

    Votes: 15 22.4%

  • No. Its just the best political come back the GOP can come up with under the circumstances

    Votes: 29 43.3%

  • Neither tax or college records matter in the election.

    Votes: 17 25.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 6 9.0%
  • Total voters
    67
Mycroft said:
shrug...

That may be YOUR focus...not mine. I'm focused on who can reduce the size, scope and power of the government.
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It is the focus of this election, whether it is your focus or not.
 
To me it doesn't matter. I do think he's hiding something embarrassing, politically damaging or both. In the absence of his actual returns, I assume the worse. For me that means he possibly paid more to Communist China in capital gains tax than to the US taking advantage of US tax law that allows Americans to deduct taxes paid to foreign governments from their US tax liability. Or he's possibly heavily invested in US companies that got Wall Street bailouts. Just a guess and neither are things that would cause me to change my vote.

In the interest of fairness to both sides I think Obama is probably hiding something too. Again, in the absence of his actual college records, I also set the bar high and assume the worse. For me this means he possibly made lousy grades in school, maybe flunked some classes and had to retake them or was forced to change a major. Or he joined college controversial college club or possibly fudged scholarship applications a little and as a broke teenager took advantage of scholarship opportunities designated for foreign students. Just a guess absent the actual records he's chosen not to reveal. None of this 30 year old politically embarrassing stuff would cause my to change my vote.
 
Catawba said:
The focus of this election is the 1% vs the 99%. Romney's effort to hide his tax returns just serves to highlight that focus. It is his gift to the Democrats!
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You would like that to be the focus of this election but the real focus is obama's failed economic policy.
 
Catawba said:
The focus of this election is the 1% vs the 99%. Romney's effort to hide his tax returns just serves to highlight that focus. It is his gift to the Democrats!
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doing your best to try to promote class warfare. whey do you think that everyone in the 99% are losers who have given up on being successful?
 
TurtleDude said:
doing your best to try to promote class warfare. whey do you think that everyone in the 99% are losers who have given up on being successful?
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The class warfare began in 1980, I am proud the 99% has finally begun to fight back.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
You would like that to be the focus of this election but the real focus is obama's failed economic policy.
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As the majority of people are aware, the economic problems are the result of trickle down economics and financial deregulation perpetrated by the 1%.
 
Catawba said:
The class warfare began in 1980, I am proud the 99% has finally begun to fight back.
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You labor under the delusion that everyone who is not in the top one percent is a whining envious loser

that is not true. but I will give you credit doing your best to try to convince as many as possible to stop working hard and start sucking on the public tit
 
Catawba said:
As the majority of people are aware, the economic problems are the result of trickle down economics and financial deregulation perpetrated by the 1%.
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the economic problems come from too many people thinking others have a duty to pay for them
 
TurtleDude said:
You labor under the delusion that everyone who is not in the top one percent is a whining envious loser

that is not true. but I will give you credit doing your best to try to convince as many as possible to stop working hard and start sucking on the public tit
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The middle class never stopped working hard until their jobs were off-shored by the 1%.
 
TurtleDude said:
the economic problems come from too many people thinking others have a duty to pay for them
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The rich have the lowest tax rate since the Great Depression, despite your whining to the contrary.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Spoken like a true Thom Hartman fan socialist.
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Spoken like a true corporate lackey. Like our forefathers, I do not see progressive taxation as socialism.
 
Catawba said:
The middle class never stopped working hard until their jobs were off-shored by the 1%.
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stop lying. many of those jobs were off shored by the reality that if companies kept paying 4X for unskilled labor they would go out of business.
 
Catawba said:
Spoken like a true corporate lackey. Like our forefathers, I do not see progressive taxation as socialism.
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No you see it as slaking your resentment of those who are more industrious, skilled or intelligent than you are.

its pathetic that your only forefathers was the FDR junta
 
Other - Obama's college records are more important. They might give us added insight into his political leanings.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Other - Obama's college records are more important. They might give us added insight into his political leanings.
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or the fact that he is an affirmative action poster child who most likely engaged in misrepresentation to get into those schools or pay for them
 
Catawba said:
Spoken like a true corporate lackey. Like our forefathers, I do not see progressive taxation as socialism.
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I called you a socialist based on your trickle down economics post not on a progressive tax system. Trickle down as you refer to it is supply side and it works.
 
Mycroft said:
Stupid logic, there.

We don't need Romney's returns to tell us the tax code is forked. We already know this. We can have that important conversation any time the Democrats are ready to talk.

But, hey...if you REALLY want to see some tax returns that illustrate the broken tax codes, I'd suggest looking at G.E.'s returns. I bet you could find some really interesting stuff there.
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This is the first thing in the thread that Mycroft said that makes sense.

Romney doesn't need to exist to know our tax system is screwed up. We penalize labor and reward sloth. We take at an absolute level more as you make, but we take as a percentage, more for labor. It's a stupid tax system that rewards trust fund babies for living off qualified dividends by taxing them at low rates and hammering the working middle class with higher marginal effective rates.
 
ARealConservative said:
He is afraid that 10 years of records just gives the class warfare advocates more ammunition to ignore the economy. the more they can focus on the big bad rich guy, the more likely the dems can win reelection with the worst economic numbers imaginable.
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I don't know about that. That will happen regardless if he releases or not.

I think, as a CPA, he's hiding something far worse. Like a tax shelter scandal.

Campaigns do not actively add fuel to the fire of a rumor that hurts them unless disproving it makes it worse. I have never seen a campaign at any level, from grade school to the Presidency that actively helped its opponent tear their own campaign down. Romney's hiding something that makes paying little legally look cute.
 
TurtleDude said:
doing your best to try to promote class warfare. whey do you think that everyone in the 99% are losers who have given up on being successful?
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Accepting the economic reality that people are indeed in different economic classes and government policy plays a huge role in that is NOT promoting class warfare. it is simple recognition of reality.

It is interesting that those on the right say with great pride that they want a nation where everybody can strive to be in that top 1% and achieve wealth and power. Funny thing - that still leaves 99% with much less no matter how you cut the cake or reshuffle the cards.

The problem IS NOT how to get some few into the top 1%. It is how to have the 99% have a bigger slice of the pie so the disparity between rich and the rest of us is not a Grand Canyon type chasm. Ignoring that goal is NOT a good recipe for national health or longevity.
 
ksu_aviator said:
Other - Obama's college records are more important. They might give us added insight into his political leanings.
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How is that possible? What is a grade taken in a class decades ago going to tell you that his four years as President have not told you?
 
obvious Child said:
I don't know about that. That will happen regardless if he releases or not.

I think, as a CPA, he's hiding something far worse. Like a tax shelter scandal.

Campaigns do not actively add fuel to the fire of a rumor that hurts them unless disproving it makes it worse. I have never seen a campaign at any level, from grade school to the Presidency that actively helped its opponent tear their own campaign down. Romney's hiding something that makes paying little legally look cute.
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And there you go with that taxer nonsense again. Heck, what you've said is no different that what the birthers and transcripters have been saying all along about Obama. The only difference between you taxers and the birthers is that you guys are better at fomenting class warfare.
 
Mycroft said:
And there you go with that taxer nonsense again. Heck, what you've said is no different that what the birthers and transcripters have been saying all along about Obama. The only difference between you taxers and the birthers is that you guys are better at fomenting class warfare.
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And there goes any notion you understand critical thinking.

Obama released his birth certificate.

Has Romney dispelled the rumors? No. He's actively adding to them and you consider that normal

Can you name another campaign in history where a candidate's campaign actively helped its opponents tear down their own candidate?

I don't need to see Romney's taxes. I just understand the topic WAAAAAAY more than you do.

And I'm not a partisan hack. You are arguing it's normal for campaigns to help their opponents win.
 
obvious Child said:
And there goes any notion you understand critical thinking.

Obama released his birth certificate.

Has Romney dispelled the rumors? No. He's actively adding to them and you consider that normal

Can you name another campaign in history where a candidate's campaign actively helped its opponents tear down their own candidate?

I don't need to see Romney's taxes. I just understand the topic WAAAAAAY more than you do.

And I'm not a partisan hack. You are arguing it's normal for campaigns to help their opponents win.
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All we have here is are groups of people on both sides with some fantastic notion the the other guy is hiding something...that the other guy will do ANYTHING to keep it hidden...that that something must be so important they will go to any lengths to not reveal it.

What we have here are taxers and birthers and transcripters who are nuts. Who are fitted with tinfoil hats.

And you've got the size of yours down to a T.
 
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