View Poll Results: Are Ronmey's undisclosed tax returns equal in importance to Obama's college records?

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  • Yes. Obama's college records are of equal value to Romney's tax returns

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  • No. Its just the best political come back the GOP can come up with under the circumstances

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    Re: Are Romney's undisclosed taxes equally relavant to Obama's college records?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    doing your best to try to promote class warfare. whey do you think that everyone in the 99% are losers who have given up on being successful?
    Accepting the economic reality that people are indeed in different economic classes and government policy plays a huge role in that is NOT promoting class warfare. it is simple recognition of reality.

    It is interesting that those on the right say with great pride that they want a nation where everybody can strive to be in that top 1% and achieve wealth and power. Funny thing - that still leaves 99% with much less no matter how you cut the cake or reshuffle the cards.

    The problem IS NOT how to get some few into the top 1%. It is how to have the 99% have a bigger slice of the pie so the disparity between rich and the rest of us is not a Grand Canyon type chasm. Ignoring that goal is NOT a good recipe for national health or longevity.
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    Re: Are Romney's undisclosed taxes equally relavant to Obama's college records?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Other - Obama's college records are more important. They might give us added insight into his political leanings.
    How is that possible? What is a grade taken in a class decades ago going to tell you that his four years as President have not told you?
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    Re: Are Romney's undisclosed taxes equally relavant to Obama's college records?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I don't know about that. That will happen regardless if he releases or not.

    I think, as a CPA, he's hiding something far worse. Like a tax shelter scandal.

    Campaigns do not actively add fuel to the fire of a rumor that hurts them unless disproving it makes it worse. I have never seen a campaign at any level, from grade school to the Presidency that actively helped its opponent tear their own campaign down. Romney's hiding something that makes paying little legally look cute.
    And there you go with that taxer nonsense again. Heck, what you've said is no different that what the birthers and transcripters have been saying all along about Obama. The only difference between you taxers and the birthers is that you guys are better at fomenting class warfare.
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    Re: Are Romney's undisclosed taxes equally relavant to Obama's college records?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    And there you go with that taxer nonsense again. Heck, what you've said is no different that what the birthers and transcripters have been saying all along about Obama. The only difference between you taxers and the birthers is that you guys are better at fomenting class warfare.
    And there goes any notion you understand critical thinking.

    Obama released his birth certificate.

    Has Romney dispelled the rumors? No. He's actively adding to them and you consider that normal

    Can you name another campaign in history where a candidate's campaign actively helped its opponents tear down their own candidate?

    I don't need to see Romney's taxes. I just understand the topic WAAAAAAY more than you do.

    And I'm not a partisan hack. You are arguing it's normal for campaigns to help their opponents win.
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    Re: Are Romney's undisclosed taxes equally relavant to Obama's college records?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And there goes any notion you understand critical thinking.

    Obama released his birth certificate.

    Has Romney dispelled the rumors? No. He's actively adding to them and you consider that normal

    Can you name another campaign in history where a candidate's campaign actively helped its opponents tear down their own candidate?

    I don't need to see Romney's taxes. I just understand the topic WAAAAAAY more than you do.

    And I'm not a partisan hack. You are arguing it's normal for campaigns to help their opponents win.
    All we have here is are groups of people on both sides with some fantastic notion the the other guy is hiding something...that the other guy will do ANYTHING to keep it hidden...that that something must be so important they will go to any lengths to not reveal it.

    What we have here are taxers and birthers and transcripters who are nuts. Who are fitted with tinfoil hats.

    And you've got the size of yours down to a T.
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    Re: Are Romney's undisclosed taxes equally relavant to Obama's college records?

    Bain Capital Files Leaked Online Offer Details On Mitt Romney Holdings
    "One expert on private equity taxation, University of Colorado law professor Victor Fleischer, said Thursday in a blog posting that the records from one entity, Bain Capital Fund VII LP, a Cayman Islands-based offshore account, showed that the fund's managers appear to have converted their fees from ordinary income to future capital gains. Such a maneuver, Fleischer said, would allow the income to be deferred and taken later at a lower 15 percent capital gains rate."

    As of 2011, Ann Romney's blind trust held between $100,000 and $1 million of that fund, according to Romney's 2011 presidential financial disclosure statement."

    Is this accurate? And, there is a bunch more of this stuff. Is it all a lie? What does stuff like this meen?

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    Re: Are Romney's undisclosed taxes equally relavant to Obama's college records?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    shrug...
    ... I'm focused on who can reduce the size, scope and power of the government.
    And give that power to a corporation in the Cayman Islands?

    I have to ask: If we modeled our government after the Cayman Island government would we where you want the US to be?
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    Re: Are Romney's undisclosed taxes equally relavant to Obama's college records?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    All we have here is are groups of people on both sides with some fantastic notion the the other guy is hiding something...that the other guy will do ANYTHING to keep it hidden...that that something must be so important they will go to any lengths to not reveal it.
    How is it a FANTASTIC NOTION that a man making tens of millions of dollars a year and should be in the 35% tax bracket but is actually well under 15% is NOT hiding something? That would seem to be a very reasonable assumption.
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    Re: Are Romney's undisclosed taxes equally relavant to Obama's college records?

    I wonder how much chinese stock roney owns?

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    Re: Are Romney's undisclosed taxes equally relavant to Obama's college records?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I wonder how much chinese stock roney owns?
    Good question. Lets expand it to ALL of his foreign investments. I want a person whose priorities are America and the American people first.
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