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Thread: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Interesting lies, now how about the facts? Franken won the election by over 300 votes. The allegations well after the fact were that as many as 400 felons may have come to polls that day. This was suggested by a conservative action group in Minnesota and then was investigated. Here are the results of that investigation: "In October 2010, the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office concluded an extensive investigation into 110 allegations of fraud, which resulted in six charges being filed — two individuals were charged with the separate felonies of registering to vote while ineligible and voting while ineligible and four others were charged with voting while ineligible."

    As to the claim that over 400 felons voted: "About 270 were clearly inaccurate."

    Every single ballot was looked at and both sides had to agree that they were properly completed and submitted. The only argument the Franken/Coleman election serves to prove is that our system is transparent and effective. It's very frustrating that people are willing to believe blatant lies in favor of a simple fact check. Not only is it a lie that hundreds of felons voted, the felons who did vote were actually charged for doing so.
    From 2010:
    ... Phil Carruthers of the local District Attorney's office[/url] says he takes the charges "very seriously" and found that Minnesota Majority "had done a good job in their review." His office has asked for 15 investigators to be hired to pursue the information. "So far we have charged 28 people with felonies, have 17 more under review and have 182 cases still open," he said. "And there is a good chance we may match or even exceed [Minnesota Majority's] numbers."..
    as of five days ago:
    ...177 people have been convicted -- not just accused, but convicted -- of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. "The numbers aren't greater," the authors say, "because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and 'knowingly' voted unlawfully." The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong....
    1,099 felons were identified as having voted, and 177 (so far convicted).


    But hey, don't be upset. Voter Fraud is Bi-Partisan .

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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Just curious (and not meaning to get too sidetracked)...

    Contrary to popular perception, we have never allowed literally everybody in who wanted to come. (Yes, I realize you did say "everybody", but then qualified it with "no major restrictions") Even in the heyday of Ellis Island we turned away known criminals and diseased individuals. Do you have a restrictions at all?

    I wouldn't have any serious restrictions. I think minor restrictions like a toll booth might be ok, but huge fees or huge waiting times are too oppressive to freedom of movement to be morally justified.

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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Impressive, but does not change the fact that a national ID would solve a lot of problems with the minimal intrusion into the privacy of the citizen.
    I can't think of any problems that a national id would solve. I can think of a lot of problems it would create, though.

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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1,099 felons were identified as having voted, and 177 (so far convicted).

    But hey, don't be upset. Voter Fraud is Bi-Partisan
    No, 1,099 names were identified by a conservative organization who cross checked felons and voting rosters. And as far as i can tell, it is NOT true that there were 177 identified cases of felons who voted in that election. Looked it up, can't find it, the only source I found that uses the figure is Von Spakovsky, who has a history of going around making false claims about voter fraud. If you can find a source, though, how do you reconcile that number with what you were saying - "hundreds of felons voted" for Franken and it could have tipped the election in his favor? Franken won by 350 votes. 177 convictions + 66 remaining cases = 243 votes. So even if the figures you stated are correct (which I don't think they are) and every single one of those votes were cast for Franken (which obviously wouldn't be the case) Franken STILL comes out on top by over 100 votes. And then you're still left with the probability that in some or many cases, a felon who is on the roster or votes is unaware that it is illegal.

    Anyway, I'll just point you to the bottom line, VIA the MN secretary of state: “The numbers are a complete lie,” Freeman’s spokesman said before the Hennepin County Attorney came on the phone. “They keep going on television and repeating this lie, even though we debunked this with the work we had to do.”
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Obviously this question has been sparked by the whole voter ID debate. If there's no concern at all that voter fraud could even happen and it's completely unreasonable to expect someone to obtain a photo ID, couldn't the very same arguments be made against requiring people having to register to vote in the first place? Can I assume that if you oppose voter ID, you also oppose voter registration requirements?

    Need a sec to get the poll up. Options will be simple; yes, no and I don't know.
    I don't see what the big deal is. If you can't even manage to get a DL, or a state issue ID, you got more things to worry about than the voting booth.
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    From 2010:

    as of five days ago:


    1,099 felons were identified as having voted, and 177 (so far convicted).


    But hey, don't be upset. Voter Fraud is Bi-Partisan .
    Felons can vote in most states. If not right away, upon disposal of their case.
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