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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Link? Did these felons all used names of other people who were legally registered to vote? How did they get those names?
    When 1,099 felons vote in race won by 312 ballots

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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah. Turns out hundreds of felons came out to vote for ole Al. Since he won by only a few hundred votes, it makes it an interesting question as to whether or not we currently have a sitting Senator who did not actually win his seat.
    I see your link, but the board is acting squirrely. I'll read and reply.

    EDIT: These are felons voting, which is still fraud, but not people voting under another person's name. How does ID solve that?
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.then
    I see you're a Libertarian, favoring minimally regulated government, that is advocating more rules on voting.
    I am also an elitist meritocrat. I shudder at the thought of a "tyranny of the majority", especially when the majority are ignorant, uneducated, and mentally deficient. For some people, giving them a vote is like giving a toddler a sharp pair of scissors. These people need to be coddled and supported by forces beyond their capability to understand, and by people who actually can understand them.

    I am not a true libertarian and cannot be, because I will never support the right to rule or to influence by those clearly unable to comprehend such a power.

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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I see your link, but the board is acting squirrely. I'll read and reply.

    EDIT: These are felons voting, which is still fraud, but not people voting under another person's name. How does ID solve that?
    It doesn't address the ID issue directly, but it does go a long way to debunking the "there is no voter fraud" myth.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    It doesn't address the ID issue directly, but it does go a long way to debunking the "there is no voter fraud" myth.
    It is still infinitesimal compared to 3 million votes cast in that election and ID would not have prevented it. This is the "logic" on which the ID laws have been implemented. In Pennsylvania, the state admitted that they had no cases of in-person fraud with which to support their position.

    It's a solution in search of a problem.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Your article provided no details as to what actually happened, here what's the people who investigated has to say:

    Minnesota Majority

    “The problem rests largely on our current Election Day registration system,” said Davis. “Most of the fraudulent votes cast in 2008 could have been prevented by using the normal registration and verification processes. But since the Election Day registration process does not include eligibility verifications, it simply leaves the door open to these kinds of abuses.”

    Minnesota law requires voters to register at least 20 days before an election so that the information they provide and their eligibility to vote can be verified by election workers before they vote on Election Day. However, Election Day registration creates an exception. People who register at the polling place are given a ballot without first being subject to the same scrutiny.
    So again, it's about registration fraud. These people were not eligible to vote, and if they brought with them a photo ID, they still shouldn't be illegible to vote.
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    It is still infinitesimal compared to 3 million votes cast in that election and ID would not have prevented it. This is the "logic" on which the ID laws have been implemented. In Pennsylvania, the state admitted that they had no cases of in-person fraud with which to support their position.

    It's a solution in search of a problem.
    No disrespect intended, but as I said in a previous post, it's naive to think that no cases... for an issue where there is virtually ZERO priority within the legal system to pursue... equals no instances.
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    No disrespect intended, but as I said in a previous post, it's naive to think that no cases... for an issue where there is virtually ZERO priority within the legal system to pursue... equals no instances.

    None taken but I disagree about priority. In my state, Oregon, it is taken very seriously and our Secretary of State has vigorously pursued it. We vote by mail and there have been concerns voiced.
    Oregonians have cast more than 15 million ballots by mail since 2000. In that time we have investigated thousands of fraud complaints, including examples of those mentioned above.

    Those thousands of investigations resulted in nine prosecutions. We've issued fines and jail terms and seen deportations. But nine prosecutions out of thousands of investigations tells us we're not looking at systemic voter fraud. Most complaints are well-intentioned but unfounded. Oregonians have cast more than 15 million ballots by mail since 2000. In that time we have investigated thousands of fraud complaints, including examples of those mentioned above.

    Those thousands of investigations resulted in nine prosecutions. We've issued fines and jail terms and seen deportations. But nine prosecutions out of thousands of investigations tells us we're not looking at systemic voter fraud. Most complaints are well-intentioned but unfounded.

    Vote fraud is extremely rare and always unacceptable | OregonLive.com

    No disrespect intended radcen. Just making my case.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
    Danica Roem - The nation's first openly transgender person elected to serve in a U.S. state legislature.

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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Problem is that registering it self.

    In my home country, everyone is automatically registered. They are sent voting cards a few weeks before the election. It makes voting very easy. But to get this to work, it requires a national ID system, which Americans dont like

    Basically, having a national ID system that works, will automatically register people, and all this gerrymandering and trying to deny people the right to vote will go away fast.
    PeteEU

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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    The solution is obvious. The federal government must forcibly implant identification microchips at the base of the skull of all eligible voters. It's the only way!

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