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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Actually, I forgot one part of this process of voting here. I haven't seen it in action but here you go.


    "If an individual offering to vote does not have or refuses to show an appropriate form of identification, the individual may be allowed to vote without being challenged if a pollworker is able to vouch for the voter's identity and address. Otherwise, the individual may vote as a challenged voter by executing an affidavit that the challenged individual is a legally qualified elector of the precinct."-North Dakota
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    I'm not sure what purpose registration serves, other than simply to keep track of people. I do not know how necessary this is, what problems it solves, nor possibly alternatives that are less intrusive. Ergo, I do not know if it is reasonable or not. Requiring identification cards or other specific documents, on the other hand, solves no problems (or negligible ones at best) and imposes an apparently substantial restriction. But that is the test to see if a restriction is permitted. If I knew more about the reason why registration is required, and what kinds of situations take place in its absence, I'd be able to say if it is reasonable or not.

    How exactly is showing ID supposed to stop fraud, anyway? Are poll workers supposed to be thoroughly checking everyone's documentation? Does no one realize how much longer voting will take, then? Requiring allocating more space and equipment for voting, and hiring more workers? Spending more of that precious tax money that so many are so worried about? Or will this simply be a check to make sure that the person does indeed look like the picture on the ID card? In which case, fooling such a system would be easy with a fake ID. This is the test that liquor stores, dance clubs, and bars impose, and fooling those types of establishments is the classic reason for getting a fake ID.

    Even if the problem of people lying about their identities at the voting booth were a real problem, it doesn't seem like ID would solve it. Registration might be what solves it, since it determines where a person must show up and puts them on a list. The name is checked off when they show up. If more than one person arrives to vote under that name, it is investigated. Given the infrequency that in person deception during the voting process occurs, registration seems to be the solution to that problem. If it could be proven not to be necessary to keep voting problems from occurring, then of course we should not be doing it. Unnecessary infringements of liberty should all be done away with. That's what the Due Process clause protects us against.
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Given the infrequency that in person deception during the voting process occurs, registration seems to be the solution to that problem. If it could be proven not to be necessary to keep voting problems from occurring, then of course we should not be doing it.
    All is quiet on the western front for us. No problems have really been reported in regards to voter fraud without the voter registration. The ones who have been complaining have mostly been out-of-state Ron Paulites who are absolutely convinced they (again, not they, but rather the citizens of North Dakota, of which they are largely not) were the victims of voter fraud.
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    I'd like to hear an argument for why someone WOULDN'T want people to register AND present an id. That's not infringing on anyone's right to vote. It's maintaining the purity of everyone's privilege to vote. Giving out free ID's is a freebee that even I would have no issue with the gov't taxing me for. My favorite argument against voter ID laws and the like is the "voter fraud isn't a BIG enough problem to force this" argument. What? So, if a problem isn't really big, just ignore it? Last time I checked, that's why we have the fiscal issues we have now. Because Medicare/Social Security weren't BIG enough problems to address. Look where that got us.
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I'd like to hear an argument for why someone WOULDN'T want people to register AND present an id.
    Depends on your state. The 49 of you view it that way. We don't. We thought the lack of voter registration and presentation of photo ID, or utility bill, or change of address letter works well enough. Less mess for us, quick voting process, accurate results, and on par to high voter turnout (high voter turnout this summer, for instance).
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I'd like to hear an argument for why someone WOULDN'T want people to register AND present an id. That's not infringing on anyone's right to vote. It's maintaining the purity of everyone's privilege to vote. Giving out free ID's is a freebee that even I would have no issue with the gov't taxing me for. My favorite argument against voter ID laws and the like is the "voter fraud isn't a BIG enough problem to force this" argument. What? So, if a problem isn't really big, just ignore it? Last time I checked, that's why we have the fiscal issues we have now. Because Medicare/Social Security weren't BIG enough problems to address. Look where that got us.
    I could probably support voter ID laws, if it was not being done in the year or two leading up to a presidential election. Start the process right after the election and give the max time(and spend some money promoting the requirement and how to meet it) for people to learn and comply. Doing it in an election year smells like trying to affect outcome. The oither issue I have is that I know of no cases when voter fraud was prevelant enough to actually effect the outcome of an election, nor is it a significant possibility now. SO why rush into it?
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    i don't really have a problem with registration or ID, although i don't believe those pushing the ID laws are just doing it to prevent fraud.

    my solution is this : every ten years when we do the census, you get a picture taken, which goes on your SS card. everyone has one, and it's free. problem solved.

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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Obviously this question has been sparked by the whole voter ID debate. If there's no concern at all that voter fraud could even happen and it's completely unreasonable to expect someone to obtain a photo ID, couldn't the very same arguments be made against requiring people having to register to vote in the first place? Can I assume that if you oppose voter ID, you also oppose voter registration requirements?

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    but I base that on the premise that the IDs will be readily available and free.
    Of course state drivers licenses and state IDs should be acceptable along with other IDs, photo gun licenses, pass ports etc.

    But If a person doesnt have one of those the task should be super easy and free to obtain a vote ID card.

    If its not then I would say yes it is pushing the limits
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I could probably support voter ID laws, if it was not being done in the year or two leading up to a presidential election. Start the process right after the election and give the max time(and spend some money promoting the requirement and how to meet it) for people to learn and comply. Doing it in an election year smells like trying to affect outcome. The oither issue I have is that I know of no cases when voter fraud was prevelant enough to actually effect the outcome of an election, nor is it a significant possibility now. SO why rush into it?
    Why wouldn't we want to affect the outcome? The affect is people that can legally vote proving they can legally vote. To be honest, and I know someone will take offense but whatever. I think one of the reasons for the big push for voter id laws is to counter President Obama's executive order regarding illlegal immigrants.
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    Re: Is Requiring Voters to Register an Unreasonable Intrusion on the Right to Vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i don't really have a problem with registration or ID, although i don't believe those pushing the ID laws are just doing it to prevent fraud.

    my solution is this : every ten years when we do the census, you get a picture taken, which goes on your SS card. everyone has one, and it's free. problem solved.
    So what exactly are they pushing it for then, in your opinion?
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