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Euthanasia and assisted suicide

Should a person have the right to choose death?

  • Yes

    Votes: 53 94.6%

  • No

    Votes: 3 5.4%
  • Total voters
    56
ChuckBerry said:
Death is the ultimate hopelessness.
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A person who is in extremely ill and in extreme pain and cannot be treated will see death as the ultimate release and will see it as comforting, and not as "hopelessness".
 
ChuckBerry said:
Discount philosopher indeed. I'd give it a pass even if it was on the clearance rack.



A god speaker might argue that where there is life, there is hope. Death is the ultimate hopelessness. No turning back.
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If you believe is God then this statement could not be true. Or do you believe that heaven is the ultimate hopelessness? Not trying to turn this into a religious discussion, but your argument is very flawed.
 
ChuckBerry said:
A god speaker might argue that where there is life, there is hope. Death is the ultimate hopelessness. No turning back.
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...and a god speaker would be absolutely correct in applying this to themselves. To apply it to others who can't quite make out that invisible god, seems unrealistic. If I told you that my god insisted on suicide at 3 score and 10 years, would you follow my gods instructions? I should hope not.
 
muciti said:
NO. this is about the right to die. not about capital punishment or gay rights. Sorry but trying to keep this thread from derailing like so many do.
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How is capital punishment not applicable here? If someone says you don't have the right to die or to take your life then it wouldn't make sense to favor capital punishment.
 
specklebang said:
It's impossible to out-argue the "god card". The god speaker will just quote the god book provided by the god dealer.

Oregon is the only state that has figured this out. Terminally ill people can get a suicide kit from a Doctor. There are valid reasons for suicide, it's not something to solve a bad day, it's for hopeless situations.
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I'm unfamiliar with the Oregon law. Must one be provably terminally ill to obtain the suicide kit? Does the law cover those with ALS who are ultimately going to deteriorate over the course of years before dying?
 
Fruityfact said:
The fact that we choose to live shows that our right to life is from oneself..stay away from the religion thumping aspect of this and stick with the legality(the only thing that applies)
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I am trying to get you to do the same thing...if the right to life comes from an individual, then the individual is the source of all other rights. If I decide that I have a right to take anothers property, from where does the authority come to prevent me from doing so? From another individual? What allows one individuals sense of rights to trump anothers?

If the law is a floating point calculation that ebbs and flows with fashion, then the law is meaningless and society is a sham.

What is your opinion on Capital punishment?
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I am against it. The only time a person should be legally allowed to take a life is to preserve their own lives against the aggressor or in defense of another's life.
 
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ChuckBerry said:
I am trying to get you to do the same thing...if the right to life comes from an individual, then the individual is the source of all other rights. If I decide that I have a right to take anothers property, from where does the authority come to prevent me from doing so? From another individual? What allows one individuals sense of rights to trump anothers?
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Abstract thinking..bravo
The fact is there is common sense and boundaries to rights when applying to others
Another question what do think about legalized drug use(applies with ones own rights)
 
I'm no legal expert but my impression is that if you are going to die within 6 months from a terminal illness such as cancer, you can be prescribed the kit after multiple physicians agree. Perfectly reasonable and hard fought against by the USG but so far Oregon has won.

There is such a thing as justifiable homicide and justifiable suicide.

I have my own suicide kit since I don't live in Oregon. Using it would not be a casual decision. Irreversible suffering is the only justification I can imagine.



nota bene said:
I'm unfamiliar with the Oregon law. Must one be provably terminally ill to obtain the suicide kit? Does the law cover those with ALS who are ultimately going to deteriorate over the course of years before dying?
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Fruityfact said:
Another question what do think about legalized drug use(applies with ones own rights)
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Fwiw, I'm pro-life, anti capital punishment, pro SSM and SS adoption, pro legalization and vegan.
 
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If I'm dying and in constant pain, good luck trying to stop me.
 
If someone is terminally ill and in sound mind then they should be allowed to choose assisted suicide.
 
ChuckBerry said:
Among other inalienable rights, we are endowed by our Creator with the right to life. Can someone cede such a fundamental right?
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That's an idiotic argument. If a meteor falls on your head and kills you, is reality violating your rights?
 
ChuckBerry said:
That's an idiotic analogy. It bears no resemblance whatsoever to my query.
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You are claiming it is a fundamental right. Apparently, every single person out there has said right violated because every single person out there dies.

Some fundamental right.
 
I chose yes, wish there was an "other" option. I don't believe in it as a Catholic and wouldn't chose it for myself but someone else's life is not mine to make decisions on, that said if it were to become a legal option as others have mentioned it should have very strict guidelines. I would be okay with very limited assisted suicide in the cases of terminal illness medically diagnosed only, suicidal depression or desire to commit suicide are just not enough. Under the very limited circumstances of excrutiating terminal illness it seems fair to state that quality of life isn't there and there is no medical hope so the end of life is pretty much a given, in that case there is no good argument against that personal choice. Paralysis as was also mentioned is on the borderline, but I lean against that heavily.
 
Yes! MY body and MY choice!
 
This subject comes up every few weeks, and the thread inevitably goes the same way every time. Most people with empathy and a conscience say, "Yes, of course people have the right to die if they wish." Then someone else posts sermons about "God giving life, and only God having the right to end it" which basically means if God wants you to writhe on the floor in agony for months on end for his pleasure, then that's exactly what you should do.

Makes me crazy.

People have the right to decide what to do with their own bodies, and when to end their own lives when suffering becomes unbearable.
 
If they are terminally ill and in pain, then I think they should be able to end their lives. There are still ethical questions surrounding it though. How would they go about doing it and things like that.
 
ChrisL said:
If they are terminally ill and in pain, then I think they should be able to end their lives. There are still ethical questions surrounding it though. How would they go about doing it and things like that.
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IMO it should be allowed but you do raise a good question. How to go about it? Well we could insist that the person have 2 doctors consent AND 2 police officers willing to witness it.

And yeah sure, let the ones that just want to commit suicide do it also. It's their body after all...however they get no assistance and must do it on their own.
 
Kal'Stang said:
IMO it should be allowed but you do raise a good question. How to go about it? Well we could insist that the person have 2 doctors consent AND 2 police officers willing to witness it.

And yeah sure, let the ones that just want to commit suicide do it also. It's their body after all...however they get no assistance and must do it on their own.
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Also, it has to be done humanely.

I don't feel good about just letting ones who "just want to commit suicide" do it. I can't say that I could agree with that. Think of all the teens who commit suicide every year?
 
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