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Euthanasia and assisted suicide

Should a person have the right to choose death?

  • Yes

    Votes: 53 94.6%
  • No

    Votes: 3 5.4%

  • Total voters
    56
Who said anything about it being easy or forgettable?

Well, when you say things like "I'd do it in a second;" I'm just saying unless you have been in that situation before, you really don't know if you could, and that it might be a LOT harder than you think and could have long-term mental/emotional consequences, and that could be the case with a family member of your's if they did that for you. I'm certainly not trying to be insulting.
 
Well, when you say things like "I'd do it in a second;" I'm just saying unless you have been in that situation before, you really don't know if you could, and that it might be a LOT harder than you think and could have long-term mental/emotional consequences, and that could be the case with a family member of your's if they did that for you. I'm certainly not trying to be insulting.

Yes, I would do it in a second because I know it's necessary. Making rational decisions without resorting to being overly-emotional is the sign of a mature individual. Do what you need to do, when you need to do it.
 
Yes, I would do it in a second because I know it's necessary. Making rational decisions without resorting to being overly-emotional is the sign of a mature individual. Do what you need to do, when you need to do it.

Everyone thinks that.
 
But apparently, you think you know better. Go figure.

I have some experience in death. Not in assisted suicide though.
 
As a libertarian, I value personal responsibility above many other things. Euthanasia is asking someone else to kill you. I personally think it's more responsible to do it yourself, rather than insisting someone else take on your own responsibility.

Some people are so sick or disabled they aren't capable of doing it themselves. It's well and good to say that as an able-bodied person, but how would a quad pull it off?

It would be much harder to kill your wife, child, husband, etc., than it would be to kill your cat. Not that you don't love your cat.

Maybe. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't do it. It's not as though people don't do it every day. People do kill their loved ones out of mercy or request, and in my eyes, they are very strong and loving people.

Yes, it would be hard. Yes, it would probably stick with me forever. That does not mean it isn't the right thing to do.

I certainly don't want to watch my cat die in my arms. But she deserves to, if it gets to that point. It's not about me. And it wouldn't be about me if we were talking about my family, or my friends, or my partner. It's not about me. It's about them, and their dignity.
 
I have some experience in death. Not in assisted suicide though.

I've got plenty of experience with death, including being on the brink of it. And virtually nobody has any experience in assisted suicide, it's illegal.
 
I certainly don't want to watch my cat die in my arms. But she deserves to, if it gets to that point. It's not about me. And it wouldn't be about me if we were talking about my family, or my friends, or my partner. It's not about me. It's about them, and their dignity.

I've been there, had a cat die in my arms of acute renal failure while waiting for a vet appointment. Not fun.
 
Maybe. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't do it. It's not as though people don't do it every day. People do kill their loved ones out of mercy or request, and in my eyes, they are very strong and loving people.

Yes, it would be hard. Yes, it would probably stick with me forever. That does not mean it isn't the right thing to do.

And what if it was you who was ill (God forbid)? Would you ask your family member?
 
And what if it was you who was ill (God forbid)? Would you ask your family member?

I can think of two people I might ask, one family, one not. I think both of them would do it.

I would, however, make it clear that they don't have to if they can't. But honestly, I really think they would.
 
Some people are so sick or disabled they aren't capable of doing it themselves. It's well and good to say that as an able-bodied person, but how would a quad pull it off?

That is the issue I was alluding to in my previous post. Killing oneself doesn't necessarily imply that a gun or jump from a bridge is necessary. There is passive suicide, or active suicide, depending on how much resolve you have to do it. I believe the impulse to live is so strong in so many people, that they can't really do it in a rational state of mind, except for the considerably aged who really believe they have nothing to live for. As for a quad, or similarly disabled individual, I guess the best hope is that they have a medical poa or advance directive, and a doctor who is willing to let them die without intervening. Many people seem to have the misconception that letting someone die is the same thing as killing them. They are two different acts.
 
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A bed to die in? Sure. It wouldn't bother me if every smoker on the planet dropped dead tomorrow. Their actions, their responsibilities.

Okaaaaay....


Have a nice day.
 
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I've got plenty of experience with death, including being on the brink of it. And virtually nobody has any experience in assisted suicide, it's illegal.

No ... it is legal in Oregon and should be in all states.

That is a very tragic case in my opinion.

Death with Dignity in terminal cases is legal in my state.

Death with Dignity Act | Death with Dignity Act

http://public.health.oregon.gov/Dis...DSummaryNewsletter/Documents/2011/ohd6006.pdf

A person in that heartbreaking situation should not have to figure out how to hasten death. Imagine having ALS or metastatic cancer or being paralyzed form the neck down and putting a family member at a risk for murder or the fear of not being successful.

They should be able to have medical and compassionate support so they know the end will be peaceful, painless and on their terms.
 
Okaaaaay....


Have a nice day.

People need to be responsible for their actions and that means dealing with the consequences of those actions. You act like that's a problem.
 
People need to be responsible for their actions and that means dealing with the consequences of those actions. You act like that's a problem.

No.

My 'problem' is that, even though I do not smoke anymore, to not be bothered at the prospect of tens/hundreds of millions of fathers/mothers/sons/daughters who smoke dropping dead tomorrow (as you in essence typed) is callous in the extremis.


Have a nice day.
 
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No.

My 'problem' is that, even though I do not smoke anymore, to not be bothered at the prospect of tens/hundreds of millions of fathers/mothers/sons/daughters who smoke dropping dead tomorrow (as you in essence typed) is callous in the extremis.

Please do not talk about smoking! It is nobody's business if I or anybody else wants to smoke or drink or consume sugar or whatever!!!!!!!

What is this? the smoking Nazi police? Prohibition America?

So sick of the nanny state and the nazi nanny followers!
 
Please do not talk about smoking! It is nobody's business if I or anybody else wants to smoke or drink or consume sugar or whatever!!!!!!!

What is this? the smoking Nazi police? Prohibition America?

So sick of the nanny state and the nazi nanny followers!


Ummmmmm....okaaaaaaaaay.


You have a nice night now.
 
Ummmmmm....okaaaaaaaaay.


You have a nice night now.


it's only Monday 3. 25 pm here in Sydney :roll:

but thanks anyway
 
Please do not talk about smoking! It is nobody's business if I or anybody else wants to smoke or drink or consume sugar or whatever!!!!!!!

What is this? the smoking Nazi police? Prohibition America?

So sick of the nanny state and the nazi nanny followers!

Who has said a word about a nanny state or anything of the sort? You choose what you want to do and you suffer the consequences of your decisions. Full stop.
 
My 'problem' is that, even though I do not smoke anymore, to not be bothered at the prospect of tens/hundreds of millions of fathers/mothers/sons/daughters who smoke dropping dead tomorrow (as you in essence typed) is callous in the extremis.

No, that's their choice. Nobody held a gun to their head and told them to smoke/drink in excess/do drugs/speed on the highway/jump off buildings/etc. They made a decision and they are solely liable for the consequences of said decision. Nobody is talking about stopping these people from doing unsafe things, only in holding them responsible for what they choose, of their own free will, to do.
 
Who has said a word about a nanny state or anything of the sort? You choose what you want to do and you suffer the consequences of your decisions. Full stop.


If you please? Calm down?

I was replying to DA60
 
No, that's their choice. Nobody held a gun to their head and told them to smoke/drink in excess/do drugs/speed on the highway/jump off buildings/etc. They made a decision and they are solely liable for the consequences of said decision. Nobody is talking about stopping these people from doing unsafe things, only in holding them responsible for what they choose, of their own free will, to do.
Wanting people to be responsible is one thing.

Not being bothered if millions and millions of people drop dead tomorrow is quite another.


Have a nice day.
 
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