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Thread: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Do you have any reasoning for this stance? For example, the right to free speech is ensconced in the Constitution (admittedly, right to life is not and is merely a reasoning in the Declaration of Independence that human rights don't come from an earthly authority). Can someone decide "no, don't think I'll keep that right" and then the right ceases to apply to that person?
    The right to life is given to you in our country at the time of birth. The government should have no say in whether you receive or continue or even end your life. They should not have that authority.

    I understand you are trying to push this as a religious issue but it isn't. Separation of church and state tells us that. A person is in control of their own life (or should be). If a person believes it is wrong to terminate their life then they don't have to do it. If those who do wish to end their life choose to act on it, it won't effect you at all. If you believe that there are consequences for that in the afterlife then you should believe it will be between that person and their maker.
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    If a person has the right to vote, does that mean they can't choose not to vote? No.
    Of course, but I'm not really talking about non-participation, which should cover HonestJoe's comments as well. What I am talking about is checking out of the process entirely. If you don't want to vote, you don't have to, but you aren't prevented from voting when you want to; so too with free speech, I can stay silent when I choose but I always have the right to speak.

    With life, you can't choose to be dead or alive as the mood takes you. It's much more fundamental than any other right. Once the process of life is started, another cannot take away that right, just as another cannot take away your right to vote or speak.

    But can I voluntarily choose to cede a right...like choosing that my right to vote be taken away permanently? My right to speak? I think that since the right to life is so fundamental to humanity (indeed, life is the only state in which we can truly have rights at all) that it cannot be ceded.

    Using end of life issues to muddy the waters with emotion distorts discussion on this subject. A person's pain ought not be the only consideration when discussing the law, nor should it be a deciding factor when making rulings on the law.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post

    I will grant that we have ultimate self-determination, i.e. we can kill ourselves by any means we see fit. That is free will. But if we say that our right to life does not come from earthly authority, where does the right come from? And does that same source of the right also grant us the right to choose the time and manner of our own death?
    The fact that we choose to live shows that our right to life is from oneself..stay away from the religion thumping aspect of this and stick with the legality(the only thing that applies)

    What is your opinion on Capital punishment?
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Fruityfact View Post
    The fact that we choose to live shows that our right to life is from oneself..stay away from the religion thumping aspect of this and stick with the legality(the only thing that applies)

    What is your opinion on Capital punishment?
    NO. this is about the right to die. not about capital punishment or gay rights. Sorry but trying to keep this thread from derailing like so many do.
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    It's impossible to out-argue the "god card". The god speaker will just quote the god book provided by the god dealer.
    Discount philosopher indeed. I'd give it a pass even if it was on the clearance rack.

    Oregon is the only state that has figured this out. Terminally ill people can get a suicide kit from a Doctor. There are valid reasons for suicide, it's not something to solve a bad day, it's for hopeless situations.
    A god speaker might argue that where there is life, there is hope. Death is the ultimate hopelessness. No turning back.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Death is the ultimate hopelessness.
    A person who is in extremely ill and in extreme pain and cannot be treated will see death as the ultimate release and will see it as comforting, and not as "hopelessness".

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Discount philosopher indeed. I'd give it a pass even if it was on the clearance rack.



    A god speaker might argue that where there is life, there is hope. Death is the ultimate hopelessness. No turning back.
    If you believe is God then this statement could not be true. Or do you believe that heaven is the ultimate hopelessness? Not trying to turn this into a religious discussion, but your argument is very flawed.
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    A god speaker might argue that where there is life, there is hope. Death is the ultimate hopelessness. No turning back.
    ...and a god speaker would be absolutely correct in applying this to themselves. To apply it to others who can't quite make out that invisible god, seems unrealistic. If I told you that my god insisted on suicide at 3 score and 10 years, would you follow my gods instructions? I should hope not.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    NO. this is about the right to die. not about capital punishment or gay rights. Sorry but trying to keep this thread from derailing like so many do.
    How is capital punishment not applicable here? If someone says you don't have the right to die or to take your life then it wouldn't make sense to favor capital punishment.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    It's impossible to out-argue the "god card". The god speaker will just quote the god book provided by the god dealer.

    Oregon is the only state that has figured this out. Terminally ill people can get a suicide kit from a Doctor. There are valid reasons for suicide, it's not something to solve a bad day, it's for hopeless situations.
    I'm unfamiliar with the Oregon law. Must one be provably terminally ill to obtain the suicide kit? Does the law cover those with ALS who are ultimately going to deteriorate over the course of years before dying?

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