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Thread: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I think so, yes.
    Do you have any reasoning for this stance? For example, the right to free speech is ensconced in the Constitution (admittedly, right to life is not and is merely a reasoning in the Declaration of Independence that human rights don't come from an earthly authority). Can someone decide "no, don't think I'll keep that right" and then the right ceases to apply to that person?
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    this has nothing to do with abortion or gay rights.
    That depends, if gay rights includes "bug chasing"...

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Among other inalienable rights, we are endowed by our Creator with the right to life. Can someone cede such a fundamental right?
    Are you saying that the two rights cannot co-exist? Or are otherwise mutually exclusive?

    I don't see that as being the case. But I am not sure if that's what you're saying or not.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    this has nothing to do with abortion or gay rights.
    lol I was going to also comment on this, to say that it doesn't surprise me that a person's first instinct when bristling at the notion of Creator centered rights would immediately mention abortion and gay rights, on the one hand denying the right to live and on the other defending a practice that is inherently lifeless.

    Pope John Paul II hit a homerun when he called modern society "the culture of death". If life is only legally defined by when you die, what purpose is their to life?
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Does your insult mean you can't answer the question? Insults usually mean a person is angry and doesn't have a good response.
    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    this has nothing to do with abortion or gay rights.
    My "insult" pretty much labeled your speak. My response was "it is a person's choice.." Are you denying that person's choice?
    I added those in because those also because one side of the political spectrum tries to deny choice
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Among other inalienable rights, we are endowed by our Creator with the right to life. Can someone cede such a fundamental right?
    Is it still a right if it's enforced on you against your will? We have a right to free speech but that doesn't mean we're prevented from choosing to be silent. We have the right to freedom of movement but that don't mean we're prevented from staying in the same place. We have the right to a family life but that doesn't mean we're forced to get married if we prefer to remain single. Surely for something to be a right, you must be able to cede it. Otherwise, it'd be a responsibility.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Do you have any reasoning for this stance? For example, the right to free speech is ensconced in the Constitution (admittedly, right to life is not and is merely a reasoning in the Declaration of Independence that human rights don't come from an earthly authority). Can someone decide "no, don't think I'll keep that right" and then the right ceases to apply to that person?
    If a person has the right to vote, does that mean they can't choose not to vote? No.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Those who are willing to commit themselves to non existence deserve the right to.
    "Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough."
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Are you saying that the two rights cannot co-exist? Or are otherwise mutually exclusive?

    I don't see that as being the case. But I am not sure if that's what you're saying or not.
    I am saying that if you grant that we have a right to life, can we cede that right? If we have a right to life, where does that right come from? From whence does the "right to die" come?

    I will grant that we have ultimate self-determination, i.e. we can kill ourselves by any means we see fit. That is free will. But if we say that our right to life does not come from earthly authority, where does the right come from? And does that same source of the right also grant us the right to choose the time and manner of our own death?
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    It's impossible to out-argue the "god card". The god speaker will just quote the god book provided by the god dealer.

    Oregon is the only state that has figured this out. Terminally ill people can get a suicide kit from a Doctor. There are valid reasons for suicide, it's not something to solve a bad day, it's for hopeless situations.

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