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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Actions have consequences. Deal with it.
    Already have.

    The difference is it bothers me when millions drop dead...even if they brought it on themselves.

    With you, it apparently does not.

    I am done with you for the time being.


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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    As a libertarian, I value personal responsibility above many other things. Euthanasia is asking someone else to kill you. I personally think it's more responsible to do it yourself, rather than insisting someone else take on your own responsibility.
    Not to mention the legal, social, psychological and emotional ramifications and/or burdens assumed by the one who acts to end the life of another.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Not to mention the legal, social, psychological and emotional ramifications and/or burdens assumed by the one who acts to end the life of another.
    Exactly. When my dad was dying last summer, I had some time to think seriously and personally about the issue of euthanasia. I asked myself if I would, or could, give him something to kill him quickly, rather than letting nature take its course. Part of the answer was based on my knowing the man and how he felt about suicide, which he had some serious objections to, as it was against his personal code of ethics for living. Part of the answer was in the question of whether or not dying is to be looked at as wholly unnatural or somehow an oddity, which it is not. So many of us spend much of our lives trying to avoid confronting the issue of death and dying, as if it's somehow a taboo subject that we do not want to face with sobriety. Dying is every bit as natural as birth and living, and my father realized that. It seems to be generally believed that there is no psychological or personal value in the process, but I tend to believe that the process aids us in resolving some psychological issues that we may have been carrying around for a lifetime, and it is not my wish to artificially end that process for anyone, especially someone I love.
    I wanted to be there for him, and let him know that I loved him more than words can say. I wanted to comfort him in his time of need, and let him reconcile all that his life had been and die with some peace of mind. These are the things that make a life worth living, and a peaceful resolution when the end of it arrives.
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    As a libertarian, I value personal responsibility above many other things. Euthanasia is asking someone else to kill you. I personally think it's more responsible to do it yourself, rather than insisting someone else take on your own responsibility.
    The second person serves as compassionate sounding board, to validate your state of mind.

    The second person also serves as a medical expert--to make the procedure as medically sound and painless as possible.

    The second or third person can also be a loved one comforting you in the final moments.


    If a person does this alone, how do we validate their state of mind?

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Exactly. When my dad was dying last summer, I had some time to think seriously and personally about the issue of euthanasia. I asked myself if I would, or could, give him something to kill him quickly, rather than letting nature take its course. Part of the answer was based on my knowing the man and how he felt about suicide, which he had some serious objections to, as it was against his personal code of ethics for living. Part of the answer was in the question of whether or not dying is to be looked at as wholly unnatural or somehow an oddity, which it is not. So many of us spend much of our lives trying to avoid confronting the issue of death and dying, as if it's somehow a taboo subject that we do not want to face with sobriety. Dying is every bit as natural as birth and living, and my father realized that. It seems to be generally believed that there is no psychological or personal value in the process, but I tend to believe that the process aids us in resolving some psychological issues that we may have been carrying around for a lifetime, and it is not my wish to artificially end that process for anyone, especially someone I love.
    I wanted to be there for him, and let him know that I loved him more than words can say. I wanted to comfort him in his time of need, and let him reconcile all that his life had been and die with some peace of mind. These are the things that make a life worth living, and a peaceful resolution when the end of it arrives.
    The "natural" argument goes out the window when you consider that nearly every single one of us is alive due to medical technology.

    We do not live natural lives. Therefore, most of us do not die natural deaths. We die of extreme, unnatural old age, slowly, due to extremely unnatural complications of extreme old age. Or, we die slow unnatural deaths due to life-extending treatments to unnaturally counteract lethal diseases.

    Some of us do pass quietly and quickly, but most do not. Most of us live artificially for years or decades.

    If someone would like to die "naturally" they are certainly in their right to die however they like. However, it is not somehow lesser for a person being artifically kept alive and plunked in a motorized chair to want to die unnaturally. He is living unnaturally.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Already have.

    The difference is it bothers me when millions drop dead...even if they brought it on themselves.

    With you, it apparently does not.

    I am done with you for the time being.


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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Suicide results from untreated mental illness.
    Suicide happens for a multitude of reasons.
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    As a libertarian, I value personal responsibility above many other things. Euthanasia is asking someone else to kill you. I personally think it's more responsible to do it yourself, rather than insisting someone else take on your own responsibility.
    What if you cant do it? I mean physically or mentally? Having a Dr's assistance can help ensure it goes painlessly, more efficienty and probably more effectively with much less mess.
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    What if you cant do it? I mean physically or mentally? Having a Dr's assistance can help ensure it goes painlessly, more efficienty and probably more effectively with much less mess.
    Personally, that's a part of my problem with it. These decisions are better made when the ill person is still mentally and physically functional, so that the family and doctor have no doubts about the wishes of the individual, should they become incapicitated. Killing someone should be wrought with indecision and doubt, imo, as it is about the most serious undertaking one can participate in. I realize that I am likely the exception to the rule, concerning the issue of dying, but I don't want someone to put me out of my misery out of some misguided belief that dying is something to fear and dread. When it is my time to die, I want to go through the process without a bunch of fretting and worrying about whether or not I'm suffering. Of course there is suffering involved in most cases. So what? Can people not face even the reality of death, much less that of life?
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