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Thread: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I argue for some basic testing simply because there are some things that can cause suddenly suicidal desire that are easily fixed. For example, being on Chantix. It has a very strong history of causing suicidal and homicidal tendencies. All you have to do is go off it. The patient should be at least made aware of that before they make the final decision.

    If they still want to, it's their life to end as they please. But giving them the opportunity to know those sorts of things is important.
    I would even be fine if it required a waiting period or some very basic psychological examination, just to make sure it's not caused by medicine or the like. However, anyone who wants to die, so long as they are not being externally influenced, ought to be able to do so, either on their own (I think suicide being illegal is idiotic) or with the assistance of another.
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I agree with everything you say there, so long as, when you have injured yourself doing drugs, booze, gambling, food, porn or anything else, you never turn to the taxpayer for any assistance. After all, if it's your right to do what you want to your body, it's your responsibility to take care of the problems caused by your choices. That means if you end up dying in the street after overdosing, the state isn't responsible to come help you out.
    I partly agree.

    The state should not provide rehab centers and treatment centers - the private sector/charities should do that.

    But if someone is dying - the state should always provide emergency medical care.

    It is not only humane but also in the public's best interest. If someone contracted TB or some other contagious disease because of their addiction and was forced to die on the street, the number of innocent people that could be infected could be huge.

    Plus, to force someone to die on the streets would mean that person would probably have to resort to crime to survive - again, probably effecting innocent others when if the person was allowed to die in a hospital, the problem can be contained.

    If a person has no health insurance and develops an ailment/condition that requires expensive medical treatment and cannot get help from charities...then they are out if luck, imo.

    But the state should still give them basic medical care and provide them a bed to die in.
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Suicide results from untreated mental illness.

    Euthanasia is compassionate treatment of incurable horrible and painful illness.

    Big ****ing difference.


    Libertarian, are you sure about this?
    As a libertarian, I value personal responsibility above many other things. Euthanasia is asking someone else to kill you. I personally think it's more responsible to do it yourself, rather than insisting someone else take on your own responsibility.
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Why not? I would. It'd be incredibly hard, but I can think of no more loving final act I could do for my loved ones than to help afford them a dignified death. It's really not that hard to kill someone with the right tools in a controlled setting. It's just that the very ill may be so weak or disabled that they can't do it, despite how easy it may be.

    If my cat doesn't die naturally before she gets to a point where keeping her alive is cruel, I have already planned to have an at-home visit from the vet. If I can administer it myself, I will. She shouldn't be handled by some strange person she doesn't trust in her final moments. I don't want her to die scared. It's horrible for me to think about, but she is old and sick, and I don't want to get caught off guard when it's time to make that decision, so I have thought about it. I very nearly did it about a year ago, but fortunately a last-ditch medication effort brought her back to a good standard of living.

    Why wouldn't I afford a human loved one the same consideration I give my cat?

    No one should force the family to, of course. If they are unwilling, the person can be provided with a medical assistant to do it instead.
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    It would be much harder to kill your wife, child, husband, etc., than it would be to kill your cat. Not that you don't love your cat.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    The state should not provide rehab centers and treatment centers - the private sector/charities should do that.
    Actually, I think if you're going to be stupid enough to do any of those things, it's entirely on your back to pay for your own treatment. If you can con some private individual or charity into paying for you, that's fine, I guess, it's their money to waste however they want to.

    But if someone is dying - the state should always provide emergency medical care.
    Why? If you spend your life smoking 5 packs a day and you get lung cancer, it's not like you can claim you didn't know. Those warnings on the pack aren't there for decoration. You knowingly did it to yourself, how can it be the taxpayer's job to pay for your care, emergency or no? You should have paid for your own insurance, or barring that since probably you won't be able to get insurance, to put away money to fund your own care when your stupidity invariably kills you. I didn't stick those cigarettes in your mouth, why should I have to pay for your idiocy?

    It is not only humane but also in the public's best interest. If someone contracted TB or some other contagious disease because of their addiction and was forced to die on the street, the number of innocent people that could be infected could be huge.
    Ah, but we're not talking about diseases, we're talking about something that someone did to themselves. While the risk factors for TB are higher in smokers, at best, I'd say the individual is still responsible for paying for their own care. At best, quarantine them somewhere and let them die.

    Plus, to force someone to die on the streets would mean that person would have to resort to crime to survive - again, probably effecting innocent others when if the person was allowed to die in a hospital, the problem can be contained.
    I don't buy resorting to anything. If you commit a crime for *ANY* reason, you deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, period. Throw them in a prison in a bed somewhere and let them die.

    If a person has no health insurance and develops an ailment/condition that requires expensive medical treatment and cannot get help from charities...then they are out if luck, imo.
    They should have thought of that before they engaged in the activity.

    But the state should still give them basic medical care and provide them a bed to die in.
    A bed to die in? Sure. It wouldn't bother me if every smoker on the planet dropped dead tomorrow. Their actions, their responsibilities.
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It would be much harder to kill your wife, child, husband, etc., than it would be to kill your cat. Not that you don't love your cat.
    I would be able to do it. If faced with the choice between watching my loved one live in excruciating pain, knowing they will never get better, and giving them a swift release, I'd pull that trigger in a second, so long as I knew it was what they wanted me to do.
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I would be able to do it. If faced with the choice between watching my loved one live in excruciating pain, knowing they will never get better, and giving them a swift release, I'd pull that trigger in a second, so long as I knew it was what they wanted me to do.
    Perhaps you could, but it would not be easy, and it is not something you would soon forget.

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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Perhaps you could, but it would not be easy, and it is not something you would soon forget.
    Who said anything about it being easy or forgettable?
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    Re: Euthanasia and assisted suicide

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Among other inalienable rights, we are endowed by our Creator with the right to life. Can someone cede such a fundamental right?
    I am sorry, but your "creator" doesn't run our governmentor make our laws. Maybe you should move to a country, where he does, I recommend Israel, Iran, basically anyewhere in the Middle East or some parts of Africa.
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