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Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

Would you vote for a woman running for president if she held your political views?

  • I'd be happy and excited to vote for a woman

    Votes: 87 82.9%

  • I would have some hesitations, but vote for her if she was best qualified

    Votes: 12 11.4%

  • I would vote for her only if there wasn't a qualified man

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • I would not vote for a woman even if she held my views

    Votes: 4 3.8%
  • Total voters
    105
Jetboogieman said:
Then again none of this matters to you because you will simply soldier on within the confines of your own alternate universe.
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It's the only Universe I exist in, so why would I be expected to operate in any other?
 
MaggieD said:
I can't compare the two. But having been a women who's suffered from severe and debilitating PMS, I can tell you that for one week out of the month I was nothing short of paranoid schizophrenic. That's where my thoughts come from.
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Pain and Chronic Prostatitis

'The illness can be so severe as to lead men to suicide.'
'Compounding the symptoms of the disease are the frustrations of interacting with friends, family, and medical professionals.* Chronic prostatitis has been cited as a main reason for disrupted relationships and divorce'

Pain and Chronic Prostatitis | How To Cope With Pain Blog

I am not saying that women with sever PMS are not difficult to work with.

My point is that not only women can have emotionally debilitating, mood altering, gender specific conditions as they age.
 
Tigger said:
I'm talking about someone with PRINCIPLES. Someone who sees the world in only two colors.... BLACK and WHITE. Who understands the only two things worth worrying about are RIGHT and WRONG.
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principles based on what? obviously not on education, logic, reality because reality isnt black and white LOL
and the person you seem to be talking about doesnt understand right and wrong on a rational, logical level :D

if you disagree Id love for you to logically and factually support your stance that a qualified person would "always" become unqualified based on my list :D

cant wait to hear this
 
DA60 said:
'Compounding the symptoms of the disease are the frustrations of interacting with friends, family, and medical professionals.* Chronic prostatitis has been cited as a main reason for disrupted relationships and divorce'

Pain and Chronic Prostatitis | How To Cope With Pain Blog

I am not saying that women with sever PMS are not difficult to work with.

My point is that not only women can have emotionally debilitating gender specific conditions as they age.
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Fine. But this thread is about women as President of the United States. If you're making the point that men can have mental health issues because of gender-specific conditions as well, you've made it.
 
Objective-J said:
principles based on what? obviously not on education, logic, reality because reality isnt black and white LOL
and the person you seem to be talking about doesnt understand right and wrong on a rational, logical level :D

if you disagree Id love for you to logically and factually support your stance that a qualified person would "always" become unqualified based on my list :D

cant wait to hear this
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Based on something far more important than "resson and logic" as defined today....... TRADITION.
 
Admission is the first step, good to see it being taken.

I have noted those who wear their 'morality' on their sleeve have a highly customized code. Doesn't really follow any rules they don't like, only the ones they do.

Some, like refraining from doing something are perhaps easier if the doing is difficult.

I have always seen 'ignore' as running away on a highly selective basis.

Anyways, given the track record of men running the world I don't see how a woman's touch can be worse, having listened to so many anti-female x-spurts I can only reckon when the day comes and we have a female Commander in Chief there will be mass slitting or wrists...

or just one or two, most are all bark...
 
MaggieD said:
Fine. But this thread is about women as President of the United States. If you're making the point that men can have mental health issues because of gender-specific conditions as well, you've made it.
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That was only part of my point.

The other part is you said you had reservations about voting for a woman because of PMS.

And I am saying that there is no point in having reservations about voting for a woman because she might have severe PMS because there are conditions men can have that can be just as mood altering.


Now if you know for a fact that a woman candidate has severe PMS - then fine.

But of you do not, to have a reservation on her becoming POTUS strictly due to the possibility that she might have severe PMS is, imo, unfair since a male candidate can have severe prostate problems that could potentially be just as emotionally debilitating.

That is my main point.


Also, I have great respect for your posts - and I am surprised you would have such reservations.

But perhaps you did not know of severe prostititis and it's impact on many men - I myself knew nothing of it before it affected me.
 
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Tigger said:
Based on something far more important than "resson and logic" as defined today....... TRADITION.
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uhm I asked for logic and facts, guess you have NONE lol


also WHOS traditions? yours?
did you just admit that your reasons are not based on rational and logic thought? I agree 100% :D
 
notquiteright said:
Anyways, given the track record of men running the world I don't see how a woman's touch can be worse, having listened to so many anti-female x-spurts I can only reckon when the day comes and we have a female Commander in Chief there will be mass slitting or wrists...

or just one or two, most are all bark...
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My legal counsel has suggested I don't comment publicly on what my reaction to a female POTUS would be.
 
Objective-J said:
uhm I asked for logic and facts, guess you have NONE lol

also WHOS traditions? yours?
did you just admit that your reasons are not based on rational and logic thought? I agree 100% :D
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TRADITION is the only reason and logic I need. It's based on hundreds of years of experience in life and that's the truest measure of what is and isn't proper and appropriate.
 
Tigger said:
My legal counsel has suggested I don't comment publicly on what my reaction to a female POTUS would be.
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^^^^
:applaud

Good, now this thread doesn't have to turn into another thread about Tigger and his "beliefs."
 
Tigger said:
TRADITION is the only reason and logic I need. It's based on hundreds of years of experience in life and that's the truest measure of what is and isn't proper and appropriate.
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this statement is FACTUALLY false, dishonest and inaccurate LMAO :shrug: but you are free to believe it if you want LOL

again I ask, WHOS tradition and what logic and facts do you have to support your false claim?
 
Objective-J said:
again I ask, WHOS tradition and what logic and facts do you have to support your false claim?
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The tradition I was taught by my family, community, and society. How about the fact that we've operated quite successfully by these same Traditions for more than 400 years.
 
Tigger said:
The tradition I was taught by my family, community, and society. How about the fact that we've operated quite successfully by these same Traditions for more than 400 years.
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It was your family, community and society that taught you to abuse women like you do so as to try to assuage your inferiority complex? Who woulda thunk?!

All this time I was attributing it to compensation.
 
Tigger said:
The tradition I was taught by my family, community, and society. How about the fact that we've operated quite successfully by these same Traditions for more than 400 years.
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not familiar with your community but much of society disagrees and your OPINION of how we operated for 400 years is false lol

I asked you for logic and facts not your unsupportable opinion

are you suggesting that in 400 years are tradtion were always right and they didnt change for the better and some of them were wrong?

and are you suggesting that in 400 years we have never had successful leaders that were off my list

women
young
old
black
Latino
Asian
German
Arab
gay
cross dressers
Indian
Muslim
Jewish

etc etc


You clearly are uneducated about american history, its traditions and how effect, ineffective, right or wrong they have been lol

hey, but again thats your right to believe things that cant be backed up by logic or facts, you are free to do so
 
Well it could be that 'tradition' so beloved by some practices willful ignorance. Not new or particularly unique. Or particularly honest with yourself.

Traditions are as common as grains of sand. Some traditions killed babies with the slightest flaw. Some left the infirmed to die rather than accommodate them in the slightest. Some traditions and societies spawned bastard fathers and worthless mothers not to mention emotionally crippled offspring.

Some are pick and choose as the 'traditionalist' needs for the moment.

It is easy to refrain from things you suck at or are not capable of doing to most anyone's satisfaction.

I don't know how much money you make Tigger but if you do manage more than 22K a year you need a better lawyer. Until there is a female commander in chief you are safe from the Secret Service swooping in. Besides last we spoke of 'them' coming to get you you claimed your brite and shiny 45 was meant for yourself alone. I doubt anyone thinks you are a threat to anyone other than those closest to you.

You either have a poor memory or a shifting set of principles. Easy enough to have happen when someone picks and chooses a 'moral code'- moral slip and evolving principles.

You probably should identify the 'society' you claim helps guide you because it damn sure isn't this one. Who else do you learn from and interact with as part of this 'society' you mention?
 
notquiteright said:
Well it could be that 'tradition' so beloved by some practices willful ignorance. Not new or particularly unique. Or particularly honest with yourself.

Traditions are as common as grains of sand. Some traditions killed babies with the slightest flaw. Some left the infirmed to die rather than accommodate them in the slightest. Some traditions and societies spawned bastard fathers and worthless mothers not to mention emotionally crippled offspring.

Some are pick and choose as the 'traditionalist' needs for the moment.

It is easy to refrain from things you suck at or are not capable of doing to most anyone's satisfaction.

I don't know how much money you make Tigger but if you do manage more than 22K a year you need a better lawyer. Until there is a female commander in chief you are safe from the Secret Service swooping in. Besides last we spoke of 'them' coming to get you you claimed your brite and shiny 45 was meant for yourself alone. I doubt anyone thinks you are a threat to anyone other than those closest to you.

You either have a poor memory or a shifting set of principles. Easy enough to have happen when someone picks and chooses a 'moral code'- moral slip and evolving principles.

You probably should identify the 'society' you claim helps guide you because it damn sure isn't this one. Who else do you learn from and interact with as part of this 'society' you mention?
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this type of common sense, logic, and rational paired with facts will be ignore by him. He wont let solid logic and facts get in the way of his opinions ;)
 
Or his tradition of the moment... :)

Gotta admire the ability to stick to your principles even as they shift with the wind. Career politicians are good at that. Maybe he can run for office when he moves to Saudi...
 
MaggieD said:
Have you ever been in the unfortunate position of having to interact with a woman on a daily basis who has severe PMS? If not, you're fortunate. The symptoms are debilitating and very real. (If you never have been, I can understand why it'd sound silly.)
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No..I can't say that I have been. I'm personally not convinced PMS is even a real thing. Everybody jokes about it and takes it as common knowledge that periods make women moody. Plenty of people don't feel good during their periods, because frankly, it is painful and kinda sucks. Lots of women use it as an excuse to not do anything but watch tv and eat chocolate. But PMS is supposed to happen before you start your period, and I haven't seen any evidence that changes in hormones cause any of these symptoms, or that women even have these symptoms before their periods start. PMDD on the other hand is a different thing. If this woman you're describing has such a drastic change throughout the month, I would think it might be PMDD. This is not a common thing, and I certainly don't think women's abilities should be discounted because they are female and therefore could possibly have PMDD.
 
kerussll said:
No..I can't say that I have been. I'm personally not convinced PMS is even a real thing. Everybody jokes about it and takes it as common knowledge that periods make women moody. Plenty of people don't feel good during their periods, because frankly, it is painful and kinda sucks. Lots of women use it as an excuse to not do anything but watch tv and eat chocolate. But PMS is supposed to happen before you start your period, and I haven't seen any evidence that changes in hormones cause any of these symptoms, or that women even have these symptoms before their periods start. PMDD on the other hand is a different thing. If this woman you're describing has such a drastic change throughout the month, I would think it might be PMDD. This is not a common thing, and I certainly don't think women's abilities should be discounted because they are female and therefore could possibly have PMDD.
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Maybe it's called PMDD now. It's been a while. It's very real, I assure you. I'm sure there are degrees -- hell, if there weren't, ladies'd be out there killin' each other. :rofl You obviously know something about it because you know it occurs before one begins menstruating. It's the hormone surge going on prior to its beginning that causes mental anguish and abnormal behavior. Most women absolutely don't suffer it...but if one did? Katy!!! Bar the door!!

I do agree with you that the odds are slim and none...but it would be a concern of mine. Having giving it some thought, thanks to you, I don't think a woman suffering from that would ever get high enough in any political party to be on a ticket. I'm retracting my concern. ;)
 
kerussll said:
The United States seems much more resistant to electing women into high positions when compared to Europe and other western countries. So I'm interested to see people's views and how they would vote. Would you vote for a woman who you held all of your views politically and promised to make changes you agreed with? Would you be more like or less likely to vote for your candidate because she's a woman?

My views: I would be very excited to see a woman who held my views run for president or even vice president. I would be excited to see someone whose views match my own running for office, but her being a woman would be the cherry on top. I would not go so far as to vote for any average woman just because she's a woman, because I feel the first female president is going to be held to higher standards and have her every move scrutinized by her critics. A sub par female president would only set us back.
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There are a few women who could do the job adequetly. The prerequiset is to have a pair. This would go to men as well. Most people I find dont have a pair as it were. My preferance is somebody who tough, no nonsence, no excuses and lives and breathes freedom. Those qualities are rare these days. But if a woman were to have those qualities and run, I vote for her in a New York minute. Hell yea.
 
Gardener said:
It was your family, community and society that taught you to abuse women like you do so as to try to assuage your inferiority complex? Who woulda thunk?!
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It was my family, community, and the society which I grew up in that taught me the concept of "A Place for Everyone, and Everyone in Their Place." The ideal that what we Can, Want, or Like to do needs to be subbordinated to what we SHOULD do. No exceptions. It also taught me that when someone steps outside of those lines that there need to be consequences, whether they are social, emotional, mental, physical, or in the most extreme situations banishment oriented.
 
Objective-J said:
not familiar with your community but much of society disagrees and your OPINION of how we operated for 400 years is false lol.
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Where I come from, both philosophically and physically the idea that the opinion of the majority makes something Right does not exist.

Objective-J said:
I asked you for logic and facts not your unsupportable opinion.
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Then you're going to be sorely disappointed over and over again.

Objective-J said:
are you suggesting that in 400 years are tradtion were always right and they didnt change for the better and some of them were wrong?
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I am stating that in those 400 years the Traditions my family has followed have never let us down. That's really all that matters.

Objective-J said:
and are you suggesting that in 400 years we have never had successful leaders that were off my list.
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I am stating that simply because something is Wrong doesn't mean that it isn't going to work out from time to time. That doesn't make it any more Right simply because it was successful. Likewise, just because something fails from time to time doesn't mean it's not the Right thing to do.
 
notquiteright said:
I don't know how much money you make Tigger but if you do manage more than 22K a year you need a better lawyer. Until there is a female commander in chief you are safe from the Secret Service swooping in. Besides last we spoke of 'them' coming to get you you claimed your brite and shiny 45 was meant for yourself alone. I doubt anyone thinks you are a threat to anyone other than those closest to you.
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No. I indicated that there is one round set aside for me, if necessary. I never suggestd that I wouldn't fight, just that I wouldn't be taken alive. There is a difference.

notquiteright said:
You either have a poor memory or a shifting set of principles. Easy enough to have happen when someone picks and chooses a 'moral code'- moral slip and evolving principles.
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What is it that you base this comment on? There is no moral slip or evolution to my Principles.

notquiteright said:
You probably should identify the 'society' you claim helps guide you because it damn sure isn't this one. Who else do you learn from and interact with as part of this 'society' you mention?
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The family, friends, and community that I grew up in. The people, concepts, philosophies, and ideals that I was taught to respect and defer to in all things.
 
notquiteright said:
Gotta admire the ability to stick to your principles even as they shift with the wind. Career politicians are good at that. Maybe he can run for office when he moves to Saudi...
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I could never run for office anywhere. It's an absolute waste of time to be that involved in politics. I did it once (worked for a campaign) and that taught me everything I ever need to know about that business. I haven't been able to get rid of that stench in over twenty years.
 
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