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  • I'd be happy and excited to vote for a woman

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  • I would have some hesitations, but vote for her if she was best qualified

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  • I would vote for her only if there wasn't a qualified man

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Maybe it's called PMDD now. It's been a while. It's very real, I assure you. I'm sure there are degrees -- hell, if there weren't, ladies'd be out there killin' each other. You obviously know something about it because you know it occurs before one begins menstruating. It's the hormone surge going on prior to its beginning that causes mental anguish and abnormal behavior. Most women absolutely don't suffer it...but if one did? Katy!!! Bar the door!!

    I do agree with you that the odds are slim and none...but it would be a concern of mine. Having giving it some thought, thanks to you, I don't think a woman suffering from that would ever get high enough in any political party to be on a ticket. I'm retracting my concern.
    I don't doubt PMDD is real. I just haven't personally known anyone with it. I've only known women who have negative symptoms during their periods, and not before. Yes, I think you're right. If someone acted crazy for a few days to a week every month, I doubt they would make it very high into political office. Same goes for crazy men, i'd like to think

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

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    You have a natural flair for politics. Lots of high minded words that sound all noble but are meaningless in the real world. You'd be the next Ryan.

    Take your tactical retreat concept. It is a highly subjective judgement call. It shifts far more than society and gives cowards the perfect slogan 101 to justify never standing for anything you might have to actually defend with more than typing. There is no one 'tradition' guiding the 'know when to run'. It depends on the grit n gravel in the man standing there in harm's way... well as much harm as a female teller can be I suppose...

    The problem with retreat on non-life threatening issues is soon a man knows no other way of dealing with adversity.

    Not sure what 'tradition' that follows... I would say something snarky about the french but they don't run from women in the civilian workforce.

    Ahhh the 'society' is a series of tiny groups of folks who resist modern mores but not modern technologies. Just how do you figure out how you are supposed to live and wouldn't some 'traditionalist leader' be someone telling you what to think and or do? Seems highly contradictory, and highly selective on what is 'tradition' and what is simply warped thinking like many other cults?

    So it really can't be a society or really any sort of organization, certainly with no operable code binding them together... nameless, vague, withdrawn from most society in one way or another... do these other traditionalist fear women in the workplace? Are other 'groups' planning to leave this country and it's safety for such bits of heaven like Pakistan?

    The problem I have seen with 'traditionalist' 'societies' is most of what initially is seen to have somewhat noble and inspiring qualities gets eroded away and only the most virulent parts remain. It is a charismatic grouping, very dependant on it's local 'leadership' or at least in the mind's of the recluse isolationist members. In many ways it reminds me of the traditional leather societies. Not the gay biker leather crowd but the BDSM hierarchic one where rigid codes are enforced and women are only ranked due to their male Dominant but never over even the lowest ranked male. Interesting, totally volunteer, very artificial as it couldn't be practiced to any extent in the real world. Some groups were very simple, others with a very well developed structure.

    But none of it is a foundation for anything more than playtime.

    I doubt any of these 'traditionalists' will leave the safety of the USofA, most 'societies' would collapse without a very accommodating and liberal society to cocoon it.

    I will wager a shiny nickle anyone would does leave our decadent society will be back with their barely used "Pakistan for Dummies" before they lose their accents...

    Interesting in a train wreck sort of way... Old Guard BDSM leather cult as a more universal society.

    Sounds like a B-Movie version of a John Norman novel.

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    in the end, your opinion is laughable since you have no logic and facts to support it and you admit that you cant back it up with anything rational, intelligent or factual. The good thing is at least you are not in denial about how nonsensical your opinion is and that this "history and tradition" you talk about is nobody's but your own meaningless ones
    It's more than just my own. These Traditions are more common than you might believe. Many don't go to the same level that my family and I do, but a large number embrace at least parts of the philosophy. If you expect Logic and Reason to be the only determining factors in life you're going to find yourself sorely lacking at the end of your life for not having Faith in anything.

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by kerussll View Post
    No..I can't say that I have been. I'm personally not convinced PMS is even a real thing. Everybody jokes about it and takes it as common knowledge that periods make women moody. Plenty of people don't feel good during their periods, because frankly, it is painful and kinda sucks. Lots of women use it as an excuse to not do anything but watch tv and eat chocolate. But PMS is supposed to happen before you start your period, and I haven't seen any evidence that changes in hormones cause any of these symptoms, or that women even have these symptoms before their periods start. PMDD on the other hand is a different thing. If this woman you're describing has such a drastic change throughout the month, I would think it might be PMDD. This is not a common thing, and I certainly don't think women's abilities should be discounted because they are female and therefore could possibly have PMDD.
    My wife and I tend to argue a bit every once in a while and I can do nothing right. Then she starts her period and we both get that "oh yeah" moment where she apologizes profusely for the previous week. This happens about every three months or so and its the only time we seriously argue.

    Of course by then I am thinking "aw man, 6 days without sex "

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    You have a natural flair for politics. Lots of high minded words that sound all noble but are meaningless in the real world. You'd be the next Ryan.
    No thanks. Not interested in the least. It would be a complete and utter waste of money and time on my part. Neither of which do I have in abundance. Besides, considering where I live there's no chance of even getting through a primary, nevermind winning in a general election with ideals like mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Take your tactical retreat concept. It is a highly subjective judgement call. It shifts far more than society and gives cowards the perfect slogan 101 to justify never standing for anything you might have to actually defend with more than typing. There is no one 'tradition' guiding the 'know when to run'. It depends on the grit n gravel in the man standing there in harm's way... well as much harm as a female teller can be I suppose...

    The problem with retreat on non-life threatening issues is soon a man knows no other way of dealing with adversity. Not sure what 'tradition' that follows... I would say something snarky about the french but they don't run from women in the civilian workforce.
    I think you miss something here that probably makes a major difference. You look at these things as insignificant, meaningless issues. To some of us they are anything but that. No, they aren't violent issues, but these are things that do affect my everyday life and the lives of people who believe as I do. The "harm" of a female teller isn't to my physical person, it's to my ability to do business and maintain my financial stability. That may not be life-threatening directly, but it can be life-altering if one cannot find a way around it.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Ahhh the 'society' is a series of tiny groups of folks who resist modern mores but not modern technologies. Just how do you figure out how you are supposed to live and wouldn't some 'traditionalist leader' be someone telling you what to think and or do? Seems highly contradictory, and highly selective on what is 'tradition' and what is simply warped thinking like many other cults?
    Actually many of us escue large parts of modern technology as well. Even I do to a degree. You "figure things out" very simply.... you look back at the way things have been done in the past, and compare them with the way they are being done now. If the "advances" don't violate any principles or values, they're fine. If they do, then the "advances" need to be ignored and/or avoided. "Traditionalist Leaders" tend to have more issues because they often have their own take on the best way to "update" or "improve" upon the Traditional ideals rather than simply following what has been done in the past. In some ways it can be looked at as cultish to some degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So it really can't be a society or really any sort of organization, certainly with no operable code binding them together... nameless, vague, withdrawn from most society in one way or another... do these other traditionalist fear women in the workplace? Are other 'groups' planning to leave this country and it's safety for such bits of heaven like Pakistan?
    Each group tends to have its own slight variation on the theme. Some of them take it even further than people like me. Others tend to focus on a single "issue" and ignore everything else. Again, I compare it largely to what the Homeschooling community was and to some degree still is... people who have chosen a very different path. They may not all walk the SAME path, but they generally band together to help each other out.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    The problem I have seen with 'traditionalist' 'societies' is most of what initially is seen to have somewhat noble and inspiring qualities gets eroded away and only the most virulent parts remain. It is a charismatic grouping, very dependant on it's local 'leadership' or at least in the mind's of the recluse isolationist members. In many ways it reminds me of the traditional leather societies. Not the gay biker leather crowd but the BDSM hierarchic one where rigid codes are enforced and women are only ranked due to their male Dominant but never over even the lowest ranked male. Interesting, totally volunteer, very artificial as it couldn't be practiced to any extent in the real world. Some groups were very simple, others with a very well developed structure. But none of it is a foundation for anything more than playtime.
    Yes, to some degree there can be that sort of dynamic in a number of these groups. Though for most of us it's nowhere near that rigid or formalized for the most part. It's not so much about the ranks, stations, or titles as it is simply about the basic heirarchy and system that makes the world operate in an orderly fashion on a daily basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I doubt any of these 'traditionalists' will leave the safety of the USofA, most 'societies' would collapse without a very accommodating and liberal society to cocoon it. I will wager a shiny nickle anyone would does leave our decadent society will be back with their barely used "Pakistan for Dummies" before they lose their accents...
    You're right. Very few will leave. Most of them have a mentality more like the Branch Davidians or the militias. They're going to fight tooth and nail when society final puts them in a corner they cannot work in or get themselves out of. They're going to lose, but they'll definitely have an impact and take a lot of people with them.

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    If you expect Logic and Reason to be the only determining factors in life you're going to find yourself sorely lacking at the end of your life for not having Faith in anything.
    Valid faith is determined by logic and reason.

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    Valid faith is determined by logic and reason.
    You do realize that FAITH is defined as belief in something that cannot be seen, heard, or proven; right?

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You do realize that FAITH is defined as belief in something that cannot be seen, heard, or proven; right?
    Or... actively choosing to be ignorant.

    Which is what you do.

    You have purposefully decided to put faith in something that is not real.

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    You do realize that FAITH is defined as belief in something that cannot be seen, heard, or proven; right?
    That's the key word there. I can experience all kinds of "coincidences" that I am sure there is a guiding hand in my life. I can see and hear things that I know happened but because they happened to me alone they can't be proven. All that is combined with reason and logic in order to weed out that which is not truly from/of God and that which is. Without the reason and logic, faith is empty and no good at all.

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    And and in response to the thread: I have no issues with voting for a woman. That doesn't mean I will vote for any woman just because she's a woman any more that I would vote for any black man just because he is black. Issues are key with me. If we finally get women running for president I hope to God that there ends up being one on both sides so that the "you're not voting for her because you're sexist" argument can't start.

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