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  • I'd be happy and excited to vote for a woman

    93 79.49%
  • I would have some hesitations, but vote for her if she was best qualified

    17 14.53%
  • I would vote for her only if there wasn't a qualified man

    2 1.71%
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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It was my family, community, and the society which I grew up in that taught me the concept of "A Place for Everyone, and Everyone in Their Place." The ideal that what we Can, Want, or Like to do needs to be subbordinated to what we SHOULD do. No exceptions. It also taught me that when someone steps outside of those lines that there need to be consequences, whether they are social, emotional, mental, physical, or in the most extreme situations banishment oriented.
    Well, how fun for you that you can always find somebody smaller and weaker than you to beat up for doing something you didn't want them to do.

    Congratulations on your ability to rationalize your predation.
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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Well, how fun for you that you can always find somebody smaller and weaker than you to beat up for doing something you didn't want them to do.

    Congratulations on your ability to rationalize your predation.
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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Tigger-
    I don't see you standing for what you believe in as a solid foundation but a highly selective one. Upfront in some things, more evasive than a teenage girl coming home late without her bra on in others.

    The shifting I see is claims of willing to fight and yet ready to flee the country to some Strict Islamic nation with all the initial drama of a child's dramatic exit to her room.

    Declare someone treasonous for doing what you claim you will do as soon as you can workout your legal/financial loose ends.

    So vocal and proud about what this 'society' demands of you and doesn't allow women, yet so silent on just what this 'society' is called.

    So rigid in dogma that you can't bank if the teller is female- pretty Wahhabi if you ask me.

    So proud of your contrairian ways here yet claim to be such a slave to a nebulous 'society' you can't say the name of.

    So rigid in some dogma that isn't any different than the basis of ALL societies.

    EVERY society balances what you WANT to do vs what you SHOULD do. Someone who refuses to do what they should risked a wide variety of punishments from not being invited to the neighbor's pool party to the death penalty.

    It is all a matter of degree, from not allowing alcohol in your vehicle to chopping heads off of dancers the difference is the degree a central authority dictates the rules.

    The want to do seems the sticking point. Wanting to do something is what makes life successful. I want to raise cattle, the last thing I want to do is work in a cubicle somewhere reviewing insurance claims. I want my daughter to be as able to do whatever she wants in life and take a dim view of anyone trying to tell her what her place is and what penalty her would suffer for daring to want more than to birth babies and cook.

    But you have to tell us all... what is this 'society' in the US that combines some warped Medieval and Puritan ethics? Where does it exist, and how many folks are like you?

    Oh and on 'stench'. I think you are a recluse if working on one political campaign has so marked you, (you do tend to be a drama queen), and you decades later carry the 'stench'. I can't help but think what you smell isn't politics as much as some personal issue...

    or two. But I do think you would make a great Saudi politician. Most are 'princes' of some sort, but they do have 'commoner' functionaries who spread the party line, and that is onething you do so well. Besides they don't have real campaigns so you are safe from that stench, but they have other odors most Westerners find offensive but just might be the flavor you savor...

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    It was my family, community, and the society which I grew up in that taught me the concept of "A Place for Everyone, and Everyone in Their Place." The ideal that what we Can, Want, or Like to do needs to be subbordinated to what we SHOULD do. No exceptions. It also taught me that when someone steps outside of those lines that there need to be consequences, whether they are social, emotional, mental, physical, or in the most extreme situations banishment oriented.
    So you are from Saudi Arabia (or some other backwards country). I see.

    Fortunately, your way of thinking is dying rather quickly.


    Have a nice day.

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    So you are from Saudi Arabia (or some other backwards country). I see. Fortunately, your way of thinking is dying rather quickly. Have a nice day.
    No, actually I'm from Central Connecticut. Grew up there, went to college in Rhode Island, moved back to CT for a couple years and now livein Massachusetts.

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    The shifting I see is claims of willing to fight and yet ready to flee the country to some Strict Islamic nation with all the initial drama of a child's dramatic exit to her room.
    There are times when fighting is the answer and times when tactical withdrawl is the answer. Some things it's worth it to die for and others that just aren't. Especially if you can find somewhere that is more to your liking and where you can live the life you're supposed to rather than the one that other people want you to.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Declare someone treasonous for doing what you claim you will do as soon as you can workout your legal/financial loose ends.
    Okay, I've ignored the numerous versions of this comment in the last couple weeks because it wasn't worth my time. What I have suggested isn't that LEAVING is treasonous, but rather coming back after you've left is. I don't intend to come back. THAT is the difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So vocal and proud about what this 'society' demands of you and doesn't allow women, yet so silent on just what this 'society' is called.
    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So proud of your contrairian ways here yet claim to be such a slave to a nebulous 'society' you can't say the name of.
    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    But you have to tell us all... what is this 'society' in the US that combines some warped Medieval and Puritan ethics? Where does it exist, and how many folks are like you?
    That "society" doesn't really have a name. It's not an organized group so much as it is small groups of like and right-minded people who have found each other. Kind of like the home-schooling groups were 10-15 years ago. This society is built on Traditionalism. The ideals and values that were the standard of society for hundreds if not thousands of years before Western Society abandoned them in the Industrial Revolution around the beginning of the 20th Century and the Eastern world has slowly been abandoning since the middle of the 20th Century.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So rigid in dogma that you can't bank if the teller is female- pretty Wahhabi if you ask me.
    Yes, I can see how you would make that comparison, and in many ways it's a very good one.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So rigid in some dogma that isn't any different than the basis of ALL societies.

    EVERY society balances what you WANT to do vs what you SHOULD do. Someone who refuses to do what they should risked a wide variety of punishments from not being invited to the neighbor's pool party to the death penalty.

    It is all a matter of degree, from not allowing alcohol in your vehicle to chopping heads off of dancers the difference is the degree a central authority dictates the rules.
    You're right that all societies follow the same basic pattern. It's about how lenient or controlling they intend to be, and how willing they are to punish those who fail to obey the rules. That's just the standard definition of a society.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    The want to do seems the sticking point. Wanting to do something is what makes life successful. I want to raise cattle, the last thing I want to do is work in a cubicle somewhere reviewing insurance claims. I want my daughter to be as able to do whatever she wants in life and take a dim view of anyone trying to tell her what her place is and what penalty her would suffer for daring to want more than to birth babies and cook.
    Yes, the Want IS the sticking point for Traditionalists. For us, there is a societal roadmap and stepping off of it to go and pick the flowers or swim in the lake is a problem. It's about following the map and doing things the way they Should be done. Obviously not everyone agrees. That's fine. I'm not saying that you have to do the same. My problem comes when people start telling me that I cannot live that way, or placing major obstacles in the way of doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Oh and on 'stench'. I think you are a recluse if working on one political campaign has so marked you, (you do tend to be a drama queen), and you decades later carry the 'stench'. I can't help but think what you smell isn't politics as much as some personal issue...
    Look up the winner of the 1990 Connecticut Gubenatorial Election. He was an independent candidate named Lowell Wieker. I was taking an Amer. Pol. class in High School at the time that required doing work for a campaign or party. Some of us worked for that one. We worked our asses off on that campaign and we won, only to see the candidate not just stab us in the back, but literally gut everything we'd worked for only weeks after getting into office. That taught me all I ever needed to know about politics and politicians.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    or two. But I do think you would make a great Saudi politician. Most are 'princes' of some sort, but they do have 'commoner' functionaries who spread the party line, and that is onething you do so well. Besides they don't have real campaigns so you are safe from that stench, but they have other odors most Westerners find offensive but just might be the flavor you savor...
    Nah. I'm not a Muslem, nor do I intend to convert to Islam. I believe you have to be one to be involved in their system. Besides, the current country I'm looking at is Pakistan, not Saudi.

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No, actually I'm from Central Connecticut. Grew up there, went to college in Rhode Island, moved back to CT for a couple years and now livein Massachusetts.
    I was joking.

    The meaning was that you belong in Saudi Arabia.


    Have a nice day.

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I was joking. The meaning was that you belong in Saudi Arabia. Have a nice day.
    I don't have a sense of humor. It was surgically removed during my childhood to make enough space for my EGO.

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I don't have a sense of humor. It was surgically removed during my childhood to make enough space for my EGO.
    Fair enough.


    Have a nice day.

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    Re: Would You Vote a Woman into Presidential Office?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    1.)Where I come from, both philosophically and physically the idea that the opinion of the majority makes something Right does not exist.



    2,)Then you're going to be sorely disappointed over and over again.



    3.)I am stating that in those 400 years the Traditions my family has followed have never let us down. That's really all that matters.



    I am stating that simply because something is Wrong doesn't mean that it isn't going to work out from time to time. That doesn't make it any more Right simply because it was successful. Likewise, just because something fails from time to time doesn't mean it's not the Right thing to do.
    1.) weird i dont remember saying it did LOL thanks for the meaningless info
    2.) no it gives me satisfaction that you cant support your opinion with facts and logic because that shows how dumb it is.
    3.) go for you and your family im glad you have that opinion, many others might think it failed
    4.) good thing I didnt say anything close to what you just rambled off then LMAO you like to go off topic dont you

    in the end, your opinion is laughable since you have no logic and facts to support it and you admit that you cant back it up with anything rational, intelligent or factual.The good thing is at least you are not in denial about how nonsensical your opinion is and that this "history and tradition" you talk about is nobody's but your own meaningless ones
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