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Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

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PrometheusBound said:
If it hadn't been for a few High IQs, mankind would be living like animals and probably would have gone extinct. From the beginning, the reward for intelligence has been stolen by the rich, the powerful, and the priesthood, who claim that the genius is just the passive instrument of God and should get no special reward. Rand represents the priesthood of the religion of money.
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Thanks for the clarification... and well said!
 
Matt Foley said:
If rape, theft and murder weren't so common then why is the code of hammubari so harsh?
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Please stop boring me with your complex question fallacies. The point of my statement was that your assumption that christianity somehow was "instrumental" in criminalizing rape, murder or otherwise is ridiculous. Rape, murder and theft have been common both before AND after the rise of christianity. They were also deemed illegal by different societies who didn't live around the Sinai long before some Jewish guy with a martyr complex decided to come along and preach flower power. Laws against rape, murder etc serve a pretty practical purpose. Don't rape me, I won't kill you. That they are harsh is simply a characteristic of ancient societies.

However, I do find it funny how ignorant you are about basic social history. That you depend on little slogans like "godhater" as if there was a god to hate in the first place just puts icing on the cake. In case you don't understand what I meant, it's simple: I can't hate something which doesn't exist.
 
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PrometheusBound said:
By defining the conflict as one between the rich and the majority, the talented are still left out of the picture. They are the ones who should be idolized, not Rand's corporate moochers off talent. Ironically, the mythological Atlas held the world in place by brute force, which fits in with Rand's real-life corpocrat heroes rather than the underappreciated benefactors that she tried to make them look like. With the present distracting debate, we still disrespect and under-appreciate creative talent, except as either Cash Cows of the corporations or slaves of the public. I believe in John Galt's supremacy as an inventor, but not his subservience to his predatory bosses. If it hadn't been for a few High IQs, mankind would be living like animals and probably would have gone extinct. From the beginning, the reward for intelligence has been stolen by the rich, the powerful, and the priesthood, who claim that the genius is just the passive instrument of God and should get no special reward. Rand represents the priesthood of the religion of money.
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Very interesting post. I wouldn't go as far as calling it a priesthood, but there are certainly cultish qualities about Randian objectivism. However, I'm open to convincing. Who would you consider are other members of this priesthood?
 
Hatuey said:
Very interesting post. I wouldn't go as far as calling it a priesthood, but there are certainly cultish qualities about Randian objectivism. However, I'm open to convincing. Who would you consider are other members of this priesthood?
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Those who invented the term "gifted," which implies that the talented owe something back. Those who create a false virtue of "science for science's sake" so that inventors should be satisfied with creativity and not demand their full share of the profits. "The glory of science" reminds me of the sport team owners who expected the players to play "for the love of the game," and paid them 2% of what they make now after they unionized and demanded the full value of the revenue they produced. In general, a priesthood claims for its idols what is produced by others or provided by mindless Nature and chance. With this myth established through mind control, the priesthood anoints new parasitic idols at its cathedral on Wall Street.

Other priests are those who deny the validity of IQ tests. Those are Leftists, who contribute to Right Wing freeloading by taking away pride and the demand for a full reward from creative people. Also, the priesthood of Global Warming and Nature worship, who think inventors are destroyers, creating guilt and shame among them and implying that the species was better off and more in its natural place before homo sapiens started evolving from the dumb savages who ruled the Stone Age.
 
Hatuey said:
Please stop boring me with your complex question fallacies. The point of my statement was that your assumption that christianity somehow was "instrumental" in criminalizing rape, murder or otherwise is ridiculous.
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Christianity is instrumental in criminalizing rape, murder or otherwise.

Rape, murder and theft have been common both before AND after the rise of christianity.
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Wrong. Rape, murder and theft was far more common before Christianization of any culture. Look it up

They were also deemed illegal by different societies who didn't live around the Sinai long before some Jewish guy with a martyr complex decided to come along and preach flower power.
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A) Here we go, it's now some "Jewish guy". See how the Stormfronters hate Christianity so much, they just can't de-link Christianity from the Jews so instead they de-link from Christianity.

B) Jesus didn't preach flower power.

Laws against rape, murder etc serve a pretty practical purpose. Don't rape me, I won't kill you. That they are harsh is simply a characteristic of ancient societies.
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Unless you're part of the aristocracy and you killed, raped, stole from a lower caste, than it's perfectly legal; or the penalty is pennies on the dollar. Or if you're a lower caste and killed, raped, stole from a lower caste in which the law was mostly ambivalent.

See if you actually read this stuff you'd realize that it mostly dealt with protecting the upper castes of ancient society. Yeaaaah.

However, I do find it funny how ignorant you are about basic social history. That you depend on little slogans like "godhater" as if there was a god to hate in the first place just puts icing on the cake. In case you don't understand what I meant, it's simple: I can't hate something which doesn't exist.
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Stormfronters are more Jewishhaters than Godhaters, yeah.
 
Matt Foley said:
Christianity is instrumental in criminalizing rape, murder or otherwise.
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Nonsense. Prove it.

Wrong. Rape, murder and theft was far more common before Christianization of any culture. Look it up
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Prove it.

A) Here we go, it's now some "Jewish guy". See how the Stormfronters hate Christianity so much, they just can't de-link Christianity from the Jews so instead they de-link from Christianity.

B) Jesus didn't preach flower power.
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Lol Christ was a Jew. Whether you accept it or not, thats the simple truth.

Unless you're part of the aristocracy and you killed, raped, stole from a lower caste, than it's perfectly legal; or the penalty is pennies on the dollar. Or if you're a lower caste and killed, raped, stole from a lower caste in which the law was mostly ambivalent.

See if you actually read this stuff you'd realize that it mostly dealt with protecting the upper castes of ancient society. Yeaaaah.
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No try making a statement that makes sense.

Stormfronters are more Jewishhaters than Godhaters, yeah.
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Hahaha yes, I hate teh jooz.
 
PrometheusBound said:
Those who invented the term "gifted," which implies that the talented owe something back. Those who create a false virtue of "science for science's sake" so that inventors should be satisfied with creativity and not demand their full share of the profits. "The glory of science" reminds me of the sport team owners who expected the players to play "for the love of the game," and paid them 2% of what they make now after they unionized and demanded the full value of the revenue they produced. In general, a priesthood claims for its idols what is produced by others or provided by mindless Nature and chance. With this myth established through mind control, the priesthood anoints new parasitic idols at its cathedral on Wall Street.

Other priests are those who deny the validity of IQ tests. Those are Leftists, who contribute to Right Wing freeloading by taking away pride and the demand for a full reward from creative people. Also, the priesthood of Global Warming and Nature worship, who think inventors are destroyers, creating guilt and shame among them and implying that the species was better off and more in its natural place before homo sapiens started evolving from the dumb savages who ruled the Stone Age.
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I get what you´re saying but Leftist thought actually opposes IQ testing because its highly ethnocentric. Other than that you make a pretty good argument in your first paragraph and completely lose me in the second. Explain it further.
 
Matt Foley said:
Already did





already did





So what are you insinuating?
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Bull****. Youve made a claim and NEVER backed it up. So now put up Matt. Show us the statistics of murder and rape BEFORE and AFTER Christianity. I dare you to source your claim.
 
Hatuey said:
Bull****. Youve made a claim and NEVER backed it up. So now put up Matt. Show us the statistics of murder and rape BEFORE and AFTER Christianity. I dare you to source your claim.
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You know he won't and he can't. Like most fanatics, all he can do is make empty claims and whine a lot when he's caught being wrong.
 
Hatuey said:
Bull****. Youve made a claim and NEVER backed it up. So now put up Matt. Show us the statistics of murder and rape BEFORE and AFTER Christianity. I dare you to source your claim.
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I wouldn't hold my breath for a substantive response.
 
Cephus said:
No, but you'll get a whole bunch of hot air and hand-waving.
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Here's my prediction: he's going to claim that he's already proved his point, and that if we can't see that, it's because we're liberals or God-haters or something like that.
 
Aderleth said:
Here's my prediction: he's going to claim that he's already proved his point, and that if we can't see that, it's because we're liberals or God-haters or something like that.
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He "did", already. It was a thirty page treatise on Germania during ancient Rome. It didn't mention Christianity or any reference to rape, theft or murder. He refused to reference the exact part of it that supported his claim. Combined with ignoring Ur-Nammu, the old testament and bizarrely reposting Hammurabi as if it supported his position in any way, this guy is playing with way too few cards to have any sort of coherent discussion with.
 
Hatuey said:
Debating history with a Christian is like explaining colours to somebody born blind.
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Only if you are into blanket statements. :roll:
 
Cardinal said:
He "did", already. It was a thirty page treatise on Germania during ancient Rome. It didn't mention Christianity or any reference to rape, theft or murder. He refused to reference the exact part of it that supported his claim. Combined with ignoring Ur-Nammu, the old testament and bizarrely reposting Hammurabi as if it supported his position in any way, this guy is playing with way too few cards to have any sort of coherent discussion with.
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And when you point that simple fact out, he resorts to calling names and feigning offense.

No surprise there.
 
Hatuey said:
Bull****. Youve made a claim and NEVER backed it up. So now put up Matt. Show us the statistics of murder and rape BEFORE and AFTER Christianity. I dare you to source your claim.
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There are reliable statistics for murder and rape before christianity?:confused:
 
PirateMk1 said:
There are reliable statistics for murder and rape before christianity?:confused:
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Probably not but he made the claim that there was a demonstrable difference between the two, yet cannot come up with any evidence to back up his claim. In reality, we know the source of his information, he just made it all up.

Like he does with pretty much everything he ever posts.
 
Hatuey said:
I get what you´re saying but Leftist thought actually opposes IQ testing because its highly ethnocentric. Other than that you make a pretty good argument in your first paragraph and completely lose me in the second. Explain it further.
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Where do the Leftists come from? Why do they have so much power? They are part of the ruling class. Their pose of fairness about IQ tests is just a cover to discredit those who do well on them. Use your own IQ and you will see through all Leftist cover stories. An IQ should not measure ability to repeat and believe in what you are told to think; it would see the contradictions in the required impressions and look beyond appearances.

As for the Greenie pose, it is a cover for the desire to stabilize the dominance of the ruling class. The development of Nature creates class mobility. That was the whole story of America before it turned backward to class supremacy. The pioneers were all from the excluded classes of Europe and managed to lift themselves above those who had dominated them back in the old regime. High IQs keep the development of Nature going beyond what is easy to produce. So they must be channeled into anti-growth science. Environmentalism is a form of hoarding to maintain the status quo. The herd is easy to tame; wild minds must be broken through humiliation and mind control.
 
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