Moderator's Warning: Guy, DA60, knock it off or be infracted. This thread is not about you two.
I know, these days is seems like many of the trees are ugly, twisted versions of 'Christianity'... but I'm an optimist.
I'm a Catholic. I don't listen to Rome and think they are behind the times. Hopefully God will set them straight. The priests and nuns that I've known were some of the most thoughtful, selfless and generous people I've ever had the privilege of meeting.
You simply cannot compare the founder of a religion like Hubbard to the founder of a philosophy like Rand. A philosophy is a system of ideas that are generally based on reason. Randianism is explicitly stated by Rand to be based on reason. Therefore you can attack it on rational grounds. Religions are not within the realm of rationality. Basic courtesy dictates that one should be polite and tolerant of other religions, even when one finds their tenets to be offensive for whatever reason.
Comparing a religion to a philosophy is an apples to oranges comparison.
I call it "Randianism" as an accurate descriptor of what it is. It's a dogmatic system of thought set forth by Ayn Rand.
That's because Christianity, *ALL* of Christianity, is ugly and twisted. Whether or not you can find people within it that you like is irrelevant, the fact remains that Christianity, and every other religion out there, is entirely unable to demonstrate that it's most basic teachings or beliefs are factually true. Believers accept things for which there is no objective evidence, simply because it is emotionally satisfying.I know, these days is seems like many of the trees are ugly, twisted versions of 'Christianity'... but I'm an optimist.
Great, you feel good, but do you give a damn whether any of it is actually factually so?
According to many then, you're not a Catholic. Of course, I don't think you care, nor should you, I just always find it funny that people can declare themselves to belong to a particular group, then disagree with everything that makes said group matter.I'm a Catholic. I don't listen to Rome and think they are behind the times.
There's no evidence that God exists, so chances are low.Hopefully God will set them straight.
And this makes the religion worthwhile how? You have thoughtful, selfless and generous people, who would be exactly the same if they were part of the church or not, and that somehow makes the church true? What about all the priests that have molested children? Does that influence your beliefs in the truthfulness of the Catholic Church at all?The priests and nuns that I've known were some of the most thoughtful, selfless and generous people I've ever had the privilege of meeting.
Objectivists and Scientologists are both cultish and operating on a false premise and not truth. That is the common thread of the juxtapostion in the OP.
Freakin' funny clip below.
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