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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    By definition I think it does. But I was simply rebutting Lunas implication that fiction has no relation to reality, which has since been cleared up. Simply because Rand expressed her philosophy in fiction (common among philosophers) does not automatically dismiss it. The very fact that it is a huge topic for debate confirms the opposite. I would say the same of Hubbard, though my personal opinion is that his motive was power, not truth.
    Rand expressed her philosophy in fiction because it just has no bearing on the real world. Her philosophy is complete and total fantasy. People don't dismiss it because it's a fictional story, people dismiss it because it's downright stupid.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Please show me some facts and data that Rand is funny (a joke), worse than funny and there would have to be more '10x more randroids' to equal funny. Youre just digging your hole deeper. Had you simply started with your second post instead of rhetoric, we wouldnt be having this pointless debate about debating.
    What you seem to need is a course in English language which explains the difference to you in humorous characterization of facts and the recitation of hard and cold facts all by themselves devoid of any humorous characterization.

    You obviously lack a sense of humor about the obvious shortcomings of your own religion.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I doubt that 5% of libertarians are 'Randoids'. You are giving this HS level book way too much credit. There's just a few HSers running about with this 'objectivist' nonsense, yet you act like they're all over the place while claiming that they barely exist. They are insignificant. Get over them. I mean, really, I haven't had anyone hit me with the objectivist action in over 20 years (since HS). So I don't understand how you get so worked up about it.
    You could have part of a point there. I simply am taking what I have observed over the many years of debating with libertarians and their love - for many of them - of Rand - at least in their formative years.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What you seem to need is a course in English language which explains the difference to you in humorous characterization of facts and the recitation of hard and cold facts all by themselves devoid of any humorous characterization.

    You obviously lack a sense of humor about the obvious shortcomings of your own religion.
    Since youre now just going to insult me, ill move on.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Since youre now just going to insult me, ill move on.
    How is explaining to you the various differences in usage of English an insult?
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Rand expressed her philosophy in fiction because it just has no bearing on the real world. Her philosophy is complete and total fantasy. People don't dismiss it because it's a fictional story, people dismiss it because it's downright stupid.
    The story? Because you're saying contradictory things here, saying this is both a philosophy and nothing more than fantasy. It cant be both. Philosophy is a study of reality, fiction is a nonfactual narrative.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    How is explaining to you the various differences in usage of English an insult?
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    The story? Because you're saying contradictory things here, saying this is both a philosophy and nothing more than fantasy. It cant be both. Philosophy is a study of reality, fiction is a nonfactual narrative.
    Actually it can be both. An author can use fantasy to push forth their own philosophy. One form does not exclude the use of the other.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Rand expressed her philosophy in fiction because it just has no bearing on the real world. Her philosophy is complete and total fantasy. People don't dismiss it because it's a fictional story, people dismiss it because it's downright stupid.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually it can be both. An author can use fantasy to push forth their own philosophy. One form does not exclude the use of the other.
    It does when the claim is such.

    "Her philosophy is complete and total fantasy". This is an oxymoron.

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