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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    They were also both science fiction writers, bad science fiction writers, although I liked Battlefield Earth movie a little. But one good book out of many doesn't excuse the crapicity of the rest.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    I've read her books, horrible things.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Both are writers of fiction and I have heard it argued, rather persuasively, that Ayn Rand's philosophy of Objectivism has become more of a quasi-religion than a philosophy. Although I enjoyed all of her novels, it was her re-introduction of Aristotle's philosophy that got my attention. After centuries of nonsense philosophy from the likes of Descarte, Hume, Hegel, Locke, and especially Kant, Rand was a breath of fresh air. Her analysis of knowledge - how we know what we know - and her explication of concept formation, were crystal clear, thorough and valuable - as a re-introduction of Classical Philosophy. I don't know if she actually contributed anything new but I applaud her effort.

    Sadly, however, I have yet find a logical connection to her epistemology (study of knowledge) and her morality. She quite explicitly stated, in her novels and her nonfiction works, that Man is the Standard of Value. She also says, therefore, that man should have the freedom to do as he pleases. Of course, if man didn't live in a society, with the implicit social contract that goes with it, perhaps it might be acceptable for man do do what is right for him. Not so in a society. Especially in a Democratic society. But this is a topic for another conversation. It is however, relevant to the comparison with L. Ron Hubbard, who also created a quasi-religion - but without any philosophical underpinnings. Indeed, with no basis in reality. This, I think, is the real difference between them.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    I can't criticize Rand because I never really read her writing. But I will say that her followers are the most annoying people on the entire planet.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnMacCool View Post
    I can't criticize Rand because I never really read her writing. But I will say that her followers are the most annoying people on the entire planet.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Rand believed in Investor Supremacy and Inventor Inferiority. But investment is static, invention is dynamic. Typical of religious-cult figures, she pretends to be just the opposite when Galt embezzles his own invention. But that was only because the heirs of the corporate moochers wanted to institute socialism; if they had wanted to waste all the money they made off a sucker like Galt on self-indulgent luxury, he never would have asserted the right to his own property that they stole from him based on an unbalanced employment contract. By claiming that everything good coming from scientists actually came from people with money, Rand and her ilk have created 50 years of mooching by the rich at the expense of the humiliated and exploited intelligent, who created all their wealth in the first place and must take it back, especially from the heirs, who did absolutely nothing for it.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I really don't know if such an insult should be thrown at L. Ron Hubbard...
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    Rand and her ilk have created 50 years of mooching by the rich
    Agreed. Milton Freedman (not an Objectivist, as far as I know, but with similar ideas); Alan Greenspan, Paul Ryan, among others, but epecially - Ronald Reagan (also not truly an Objectivist) who, with is erroneous characterization of the "welfare queen" did more to damage our country than any other single person. With this one statement, many of the ideals of our Founding Fathers, especially the ideal of General Welfare, have been seriously damaged. The theme continues with many of today's Republicans. The wage-gap, that is, the theft of the income of the working 99% by the wealthy and, especially, by the corporations, is only one symptom. Capitalism does work, but primarily for the 1%. Don't misunderstand - I beleive in the American Dream - that everyone should have the opportunity to succeed. But wouldn't it be nice if everyone played by the same rules? Wouldn't it be nice if the 'game' weren't rigged for the corporations?
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    I will say in Ayn Rand's defense, that the bulk of The Fountainhead is very well written, a very compelling story about an architect believing in his vision.

    L Rom Hubbar was a 3rd rate sci-fi hack and a criminal.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    In regards to Ayn Rand...the proper word is "self-sufficiency"...not selfishness.
    No, it's not. Selfishness is the only applicable word. Self sufficiency has nothing to do with it, as Randians are perfectly content to benefit from others. A Randian is merely selfish, with all the base and ugly things that that words connotes.

    Comparing Hubbard with Rand is an insult to Scientology.
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