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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Did he need to create a fictional world to bolster his point?
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Ayn Rand was a joke. Her faux ideology is worse than a joke. Todays randroids would have to multiply their teeny tiny numbers by a factor of at least ten to work UP to the level of a joke.
    Why is that?

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Why is that?
    In the last episode of the great series QUANTAM LEAP, the bartender explains to Sam that sometimes the best explanation is "thats just the way it is".

    I cannot improve upon that wisdom. But here is an attempt.

    A faux political philosophy based on personal selfishness and the justification for its meaner impulses is not a good thing when you live in a society with other people. Cooperation and mutual interest is necessary for civilization to flourish . Rand is the antithesis of such concepts.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Rand is the antithesis of such concepts.
    You do realize that Niet and Mach wrote the same thing long before she did, right?

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You do realize that Niet and Mach wrote the same thing long before she did, right?
    stolen nonsense is still nonsense.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Well, you're acting like she started something. That's not really true. There's just a bunch of people too dim to read actual literature on the subject, and they attribute the Ubermensch to her. I mean, I guess there really are 'Randians' or 'Objectivists' but those are pretty much just HS people, right? I've never met an adult that has bought into Rand to the extent that they would actually describe their political perspective according to her rather boring fiction. Anyone who would should at least have the self respect to cite actual literature; for Pete's sake, The Prince is not a big book.

    In summary, I think you're giving her too much credit.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    But it's not about uneven distribution, it's about not distributing enough to people with talent. The wage gap that I am most against is the typical distribution where an inventor got a $30,000 bonus and his corporate Masters got $300,000,000 for the patent that wouldn't have existed without him. Just like the workers, the investors were only secondary factors in creating that wealth.
    Corporations that steal, coerce or otherwise take advantage of those who create or invent, are just as despicable as those same corporations that cause wealth transfer from the poor, the middle class and even the moderately wealthy. Corporations have no morals. They are not immoral. They are amoral. Their goal is to make as much money for their stockholders as possible. By whatever means. The countries that these corporations 'live' in cannot sustain themselves for long if this continues. Regulation has everything to do with fairness of opportunity at all levels. The game has been rigged. It needs to stop. Ayn Rand has played a huge role in creating the environment that accepts this behavior that is bad for everyone except the corporations.

    The Investor Inferiority objective of homo erectus is achieved if this point is ignored and opposition to Rand is only focused on giving lower-class moochers more of the wealth created by homo sapiens.
    I am not sure what the point of this sentence is?

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Knew you were wrong? Yes, I knew that. Upwards of 90% of people going into prison report that they are theists of some sort and the vast majority of those report that they are Christians. Far less than 1% of people going into prison report they are atheists.
    We know, because they don't want to be ostracized. It was mentioned in the study, but again you know this.

    The only thing wrong here is your bad attitude and blanket statements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And yes, there are tons of open atheists in foxholes.

    Seems to me you don't want to admit that religion has problems.
    Sorry that is not tons, lol.

    Religion is not the problem, man is the problem. Seems you don't want to lay blame where it needs to be.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by SeekingWisdom View Post
    Corporations have no morals. They are not immoral. They are amoral. Their goal is to make as much money for their stockholders as possible. By whatever means.
    What about Green corporations?

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Ayn Rand simply created a fictitious political ideology of selfishness to create a story around it.

    L. Ron Hubbard created a fictional religion to sell.

    Both were delusional and narcisisisitic and it is revealed in their writing imo.
    Ayn Rand is probably less horrifying than is L. Ron Hubbard, mostly because the Church of Scientology has institutionalized horrific behavior (both legally and otherwise) whereas Rand officionadoes tend to be individualistic to a fault. They are far less prone to creating institutions that **** up people's lives. They're crazy to be sure, but not nearly as destructive, practically speaking.

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