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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Ayn Rand simply created a fictitious political ideology of selfishness to create a story around it.

    L. Ron Hubbard created a fictional religion to sell.

    Both were delusional and narcisisisitic and it is revealed in their writing imo.
    Ayn Rand rooted her political beliefs in reality and events in her life growing up in the Soviet Union. She uses fiction to portray those beliefs, but also did do a lot of non fiction articles and speeches as well.

    L. Ron Hubbard thinks Xeno killed 900 trillion people a couple billion years ago. Which one do you think has more credibility?

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Literature.org, here I come.
    Kickass! After that do Anthem if you haven't (~100 pages). You've then garnered the conversation-credential equivalent of War and Peace and Atlas Shrugged in a mere ~120 pages. Throw in the aforementioned Niet and Mach (Prince) to cover the "History of Uberman", and Dost's "The Uberman Thing is Not Real"... and you're an expert too.

    I'm not sure what that has to do with scientology, as I never much read Hubbard (not into sci-fi, I'm more a classics guy). Also, I'm not sure if reading Hubbard's scifi has anything to do with scientology. I'm willing to bet, though, that if one has Spock ears then they are probably willing to believe in volcano people.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Its always been my understanding that Scientology was a $5 bet between Golden Age sci fi authors who used to play poker together.

    The bet was that Hubbard could create a religion that people would believe in.

    He won the bet.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    So it's like Tiffany.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Kickass! After that do Anthem if you haven't (~100 pages). You've then garnered the conversation-credential equivalent of War and Peace and Atlas Shrugged in a mere ~120 pages. Throw in the aforementioned Niet and Mach (Prince) to cover the "History of Uberman", and Dost's "The Uberman Thing is Not Real"... and you're an expert too.

    I'm not sure what that has to do with scientology, as I never much read Hubbard (not into sci-fi, I'm more a classics guy). Also, I'm not sure if reading Hubbard's scifi has anything to do with scientology. I'm willing to bet, though, that if one has Spock ears then they are probably willing to believe in volcano people.
    I've read everyone else you mentioned except for Tolstoy (including L. Ron Hubbard), so I'll basically be an expert once I finish this (provided I stop getting distracted by phone calls and such.)

    The Mission Earth Series by Hubbard (which is complete ****, IMO) is actually riddled with stuff related to scientology. I am in to sci-fi, but I don't do star trek type crap. More like the Asimov, Vonnegut, and Herbert type stuff. If you haven't read Vonnegut, you don't truly understand the power of sci-fi (or possibly satire if you haven't read much Jonathan Swift, either). Her eI go acting like a hooligan again.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Vonnegut is a favorite of mine. I saw him speak about literature when I was in HS ~'88, at the FIU auditorium (my gf got us tickets). It was amazing. (Damn, I'm such a nerd). Anyway, have you tried John Irving? His early stuff is Catch-22/Mockingbird quality.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Rand and Hubbard

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Vonnegut is a favorite of mine. I saw him speak about literature when I was in HS ~'88, at the FIU auditorium (my gf got us tickets). It was amazing. (Damn, I'm such a nerd). Anyway, have you tried John Irving? His early stuff is Catch-22/Mockingbird quality.
    Never read Irving, but I've enjoyed the few movies I've seen that were adapted from his stuff.

    His name did make me think of something, though. If you haven't read Irvine Welsh's Filth, do so ASAP. I think you would definitely enjoy that book, given your sense of humor.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So you undermine your own points for the sole purpose of being offensive to those who believe? How does that benefit you?
    Most of these people lack the capacity to question their beliefs regardless, therefore the chances of convincing them that they're wrong are somewhere between slim and none. It's done for those watching from the sidelines, who can recognize that belief in gods and belief in leprechauns are equivalent and equally silly. If nothing else, there is entertainment value is watching crazy people try to justify belief in imaginary friends. Zealots don't change their minds. They're great for laughing at though.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Most of these people lack the capacity to question their beliefs regardless, therefore the chances of convincing them that they're wrong are somewhere between slim and none. It's done for those watching from the sidelines, who can recognize that belief in gods and belief in leprechauns are equivalent and equally silly. If nothing else, there is entertainment value is watching crazy people try to justify belief in imaginary friends. Zealots don't change their minds. They're great for laughing at though.
    Why bother then, if you have so much disdain for them?
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