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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    Yeah Godhaters. True atheists like ecofarm over here don't obsess over God like you guys do.

    True Atheists are all, "Like whatever."

    Godhaters are all, "****ING CHRISTIANS! YOU MORONS!"

    Also, a true Atheist would recognize the literary value of a matter-of-fact 2,000 year old story in a sea of strange barely recognizable classical/Roman prose/fable.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Makes about as much sense as whining about "leprechaun-haters".
    What I find odd about it is that I get labelled as such for accurately pointing out a flaw in his logic, not for actually saying anything derogatory about God.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What I find odd about it is that I get labelled as such for accurately pointing out a flaw in his logic, not for actually saying anything derogatory about God.
    You gotta admit though, some of the posters here take every opportunity to attack those who are religious as weak minded etc constantly. Why is it so important for the same one's to do it over and over? To be honest I think they are projecting or scared. I mean really it's silly. I am very smart and worship God. I have money and a great life etc. Sort puts a damper on the haters of which you are not Tucker.

    In fact you did not really point out a flaw, it's a fact. As far as we know it was meant to be that way, lol.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You gotta admit though, some of the posters here take every opportunity to attack those who are religious as weak minded etc constantly. Why is it so important for the same one's to do it over and over? To be honest I think they are projecting or scared. I mean really it's silly. I am very smart and worship God. I have money and a great life etc. Sort puts a damper on the haters of which you are not Tucker.
    Absolutely. I've often gone after people for doing it, too, as you know.

    But there's also the flip side of people who take every opportunity to attack anyone who doesn't treat the bible as though it actually is the inspired inerrant word of God as godhaters®, as we see in this thread.

    I enjoy being able to discuss religious philosophy with people like you and goshin because you can offer me intelligent, well-thought out insights into your beliefs, which I lack, while being confident enough in your own beliefs to field my questions and points without assuming I am trying to convert you to atheism.


    In fact you did not really point out a flaw, it's a fact. As far as we know it was meant to be that way, lol.
    True enough. If there is a god, I'm certainly not arrogant enough to think I'd be able to comprehend his line of reasoning. Which is saying something because I can be pretty ****ing arrogant
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    What I find odd about it is that I get labelled as such for accurately pointing out a flaw in his logic, not for actually saying anything derogatory about God.
    As far as they're concerned, suggesting in any way that God might not exist is a personal insult of the highest order. However, if there was someone that believed in leprechauns and we did the exact same thing, just substituting the word "leprechaun" for the word "God", they wouldn't have a problem with it in the world.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    As far as they're concerned, suggesting in any way that God might not exist is a personal insult of the highest order. However, if there was someone that believed in leprechauns and we did the exact same thing, just substituting the word "leprechaun" for the word "God", they wouldn't have a problem with it in the world.
    It is not your trying to say God does not exist that is a problem. The problem is people like yourself making it insulting. Sometimes I don't even think they are trying to be. Just no sense of of being tactful for anything other then there own world view. For example...

    Saying Christian belief amounts to worshiping leprechauns. Leprechauns are a known work of fiction with no historical value etc. How do you expect a Christian to take that? Of course the same goes to those that get all bent out of shape by someone saying they don't believe.

    So if you respect my views, I will respect yours. Otherwise it just who can insult who and nothing is accomplished.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Absolutely. I've often gone after people for doing it, too, as you know.

    But there's also the flip side of people who take every opportunity to attack anyone who doesn't treat the bible as though it actually is the inspired inerrant word of God as godhaters®, as we see in this thread.

    I enjoy being able to discuss religious philosophy with people like you and goshin because you can offer me intelligent, well-thought out insights into your beliefs, which I lack, while being confident enough in your own beliefs to field my questions and points without assuming I am trying to convert you to atheism.




    True enough. If there is a god, I'm certainly not arrogant enough to think I'd be able to comprehend his line of reasoning. Which is saying something because I can be pretty ****ing arrogant
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    As far as they're concerned, suggesting in any way that God might not exist is a personal insult of the highest order. However, if there was someone that believed in leprechauns and we did the exact same thing, just substituting the word "leprechaun" for the word "God", they wouldn't have a problem with it in the world.
    While you are right that some people consider the mere suggestion that god might not exist as a personal insult, the problem here is that your delivery of that accurate message is often clouded by the fact that your approach belittles the belief in God by comparing it to a belief in leprechauns.

    A less belittling comparison would be to use something like ghosts. The same person who calls me a Godhater® for pointing out the possibility that God might not exist or the bible might not be accurate would probably find it absurd to call me a ghost hater for the same thing, but wouldn't find the comparison of God's existence to the existence of ghosts to be as derogatory.

    O, if you are dealing with a mega fire and brimstone bloke, point out that the possibility of Satan not existing and by virtue of their Godhater® logic, it means you are also a Satanhater®, and therefore a good christian. That one would be a more entertaining approach to the flawed logic, actually.

    In both cases you accomplish the same results without unnecessarily causing any other believer who sees the exchange to feel as though they've been insulted.

    Whenever the delivery of a message creates a reaction in people that overshadows the message itself, the delivery is a bad one.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So if I, and two other people, read the Great Gatsby and rewrote it in a very similar, but not exact fashion, would that authenticate the Great Gatsby?
    Know why the gospels are written differently?

    Matthew wrote to the Jews and was primarily concerned with illustrating the fulfillment of OT messianic prophesy in Jesus.

    Mark wrote to the Romans and emphesized actions over words. He often uses the words 'immediately', 'soon after', 'right away' and such to give the piece a fast-moving tone. He concentrated on Jesus' actions more than words.

    Luke was a physician and wrote to the Greeks. He emphesized logic and reason, and he supplied supporting details (through research) that are not found in the other gospels.

    John's primary concern was proving the divinity of Jesus, and so his gospel is not so much a variation directed at a particular audience as it is a different macro-focus.



    Just sayin'

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Know why the gospels are written differently?

    Matthew wrote to the Jews and was primarily concerned with illustrating the fulfillment of OT messianic prophesy in Jesus.

    Mark wrote to the Romans and emphesized actions over words. He often uses the words 'immediately', 'soon after', 'right away' and such to give the piece a fast-moving tone. He concentrated on Jesus' actions more than words.

    Luke was a physician and wrote to the Greeks. He emphesized logic and reason, and he supplied supporting details (through research) that are not found in the other gospels.

    John's primary concern was proving the divinity of Jesus, and so his gospel is not so much a variation directed at a particular audience as it is a different macro-focus.



    Just sayin'
    That's interesting. I never knew that.

    It explains why I tend to find Luke and Mark more interesting than Mathew and John, though.
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