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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Retread that post carefully and you will see that nowhere did I say that Jesus wrote anything. Please do try try to have some clue what you are talking about prior to shooting you mouth off.
    Tucker, pretty much covered it already. He had no hand in the Bible at all, none. He was gone 50 to 100 years before even 1 word of the books in the NT had been written.

    As for the clue part. I am not perfect and often make mistakes. In this case however, I am correct.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Dude couldn't/didn't write. He just went around saying the Koran over and over, and other people wrote it down. That's the story I heard.
    Ah, I did not know that. If it was accurately recorded and he dictated it, then he'd be the author. If it wasn't accurately written down, then he's the inspiration and not the author.

    I think your description of the NT leaves much to be desired as well, but this is the more interesting point
    What is it that you don't like about my description?
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Ah, I did not know that. If it was accurately recorded and he dictated it, then he'd be the author. If it wasn't accurately written down, then he's the inspiration and not the author.
    Same as the Bible (to Christians).

    What is it that you don't like about my description?
    No recognition of the trinity (I was gonna leave trilogy cause that's funny but it ain't proper).
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    In one of her many internal contradictions, Rand has no problem with inherited wealth. Her pathetic attempt to rationalize it was that the character of a man determines success, regardless of inherited wealth or other unearned advantages. This is an attempt to counter a valid criticism of Randianism by appeal to practical results. She claims that in practice, those who are unworthy of wealth will squander it and and those who are worthy would succeed with or without inherited wealth, so will all balance out in favor of try deserving egoist a. This is of course probably false by observation of reality, and also internally contradictory, as elsewhere Rand bemoans elite "second handsets" who somehow manage to coast onthe success of heroic egotists despite her assertion that this is impossible.
    Also, the heirs have to be wasteful far beyond what would hurt an unprivileged person before they suffer any consequences. And they have to be competent far below the level an unprivileged person has to reach to get anywhere. Notice too that all her socialists are heirs. Without aristocracy, no communism. The reason for that is its birth-privileged leaders have a "born to rule" attitude.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Same as the Bible (to Christians).
    Not quite. Jesus didn't dictate the bible. Jesus was definitely the inspiration for the bible, there's no debate about that. Authorship would require it to be dictated directly and accurately recorded, though.


    No recognition of the trinity (I was gonna leave trilogy cause that's funny but it ain't proper).
    I didn't mention that interpretation of the bible because it's clearly an interpretation, not something expressly stated in the text, and thus up for a whole different debate. If it wasn't an interpretation, Unitarians wouldn't exist in opposition to Trinitarians.

    Now, I do believe that I did mention the possibility of it being the inspired word of God, though, which is an allusion to trinitarian beliefs without being expressly stated as a trinitarian view.

    But there's no claim that I know of that it was dictated by god in order to be accurately recorded by the authors, though. I also feel that the bible doesn't imply that the holy spirit being within the person writing the bible = dictation of the bible by god, nor am I aware of any argument that claim such. Only that the word was inspired and inerrant, which is different from direct dictation.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Ah, I did not know that. If it was accurately recorded and he dictated it, then he'd be the author. If it wasn't accurately written down, then he's the inspiration and not the author.
    According to the story, Mohammed's followers memorized his teachings while Mohammed was alive and after his death, they were worried about the teachings being lost as the followers started to die so they wrote it down. It's anyone's guess how accurate the writings actually are or if anyone took any artistic license.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    According to the story, Mohammed's followers memorized his teachings while Mohammed was alive and after his death, they were worried about the teachings being lost as the followers started to die so they wrote it down. It's anyone's guess how accurate the writings actually are or if anyone took any artistic license.
    I stand corrected on that twice, then.
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Not quite. Jesus didn't dictate the bible. Jesus was definitely the inspiration for the bible, there's no debate about that. Authorship would require it to be dictated directly and accurately recorded, though.
    4 Books by 4 different point of views telling the same story pretty much authenticates the story.

    Even the tossed aside coptic stories have the exact same quotes.

    Why is this being talked about in an Ayn Rand topic?
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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post
    4 Books by 4 different point of views telling the same story pretty much authenticates the story.
    Wow, would be great if that was true, it's just 4 books by 4 anonymous authors that contain massive contradictions.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of Politics

    Your really picking nits to say Divinely Inspired isn't very, very, very similar to directly dictated after you through in impossible to be wrong, flawed or even inaccurate.

    I'm sure a college debate course run by a very learned man has a heaping helping of differences between the two, this old boy can't see a curling hairs gap between the two.

    Both carry the same spiritual weigth as far as the public is concerned.

    Back to Rand, her 'philosophy is a cover for how a person LIVED his life and the choices he made rather than a blueprint to follow. In a work of fiction a few can hold this 'philosophy' and be written to succeed. Life however seldom follows your script.

    Most success is a result of teamwork as no one person can do it all, all by himself. It is a tad bit humorous those born into multigenerational wealth, priviledge, and power are some of the loudest for self reliance and every man for himself. Imagine that, those with a headstart go on and on about everyman for himself, no taxes, and end all 'death taxes'.

    Used to be there was such a thing as team work, self sacrifice. WWII wasn't won without many teams. Those at the front on in the bombers. Those keeping the supplies as forward as possible, those back home who bought bonds and built the ships, planes and tanks.

    This Randyism is all about me getting mine, devil take the rest. Dress it up in 3 dollar words, it is still just cutthroat capitalism as practiced by entitled, good old boys who would be the first to scream they are too big to fail if things go south for them. It would take a work of fiction to have everyone mass brainwashed to just take care of themselves,(if whatever vague limits you set this week), and denies centuries of real world evolution of thought and deed. We are at our best as a society when we work together, cooperate not draw hard lines.

    Going back to ancient Greece and denying centuries of philosophy is like going back to medieval bumpersticker philosophy. Greece was a base for our modern thought, not the penthouse.

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