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If you had the choice of only one weapon...

A disaster hits your area and you have 100 rounds. What weapon to bring?

  • AR-15 Semi-Auto 5.56 or AR-10 in .308

    Votes: 8 20.0%

  • AK-47 or in 7.62 to .308

    Votes: 7 17.5%

  • 3030 to .308 lever action rifle

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • 3030 to .308 bolt action rifle

    Votes: 5 12.5%

  • Any revolver from .38 to 454 Casull

    Votes: 5 12.5%

  • Any Auto Pistol from 9mm to .50 cal

    Votes: 5 12.5%

  • Knife or Other: Please Explane.

    Votes: 8 20.0%

  • None

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    40
  • Poll closed .
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A s a disaster hit your area and it was about survival, period. You also have only 100 rounds of ammo and enough food and water for a day or 2 at most. Which weapon would you bring?

I would have to go with something that can take a beating as it may be awhile. Simple to maintain and good for defense or hunting. I also want something light weight that will not waist to much ammo.

In the end I went with the lever 3030. It's light with a good rate of fire easily controlled and good for general defense or hunting.
 
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Blackdog said:
A s a disaster hit your area and it was about survival, period. You also have only 100 rounds of ammo and enough food and water for a day or 2 at most. Which weapon would you bring?

AR-15 Semi-Auto
30.30 to .308 lever Action
AK-47 (7.62 or 5.56)
Any bolt hunting long rifle of 270 to .308
Any Shotgun .20 to .10 Gauge
Any revolver .38 Special to 454 Casull

I would have to go with something that can take a beating as it may be awhile. Simple to maintain and good for defense or hunting. I also want something light weight that will not waist to much ammo.

In the end I went with the lever 3030. It's light with a good rate of fire easily controlled and good for general defense or hunting.
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A Red Jacket made AK 103 in 545X39

utterly reliable and that round is lighter in weight and recoil than the 762x39 and is far more lethal. It is also very accurate and can kill deer out to 300M reliably. with the sort of optics I would put on it, you can also make head shots at that distance if need be. shotgun ammo weighs far too much, lever actions are less reliable, and transfer far too much recoil. revolvers are a poor option when a rifle is available unless concealed carry is needed.
 
Blackdog said:
A s a disaster hit your area and it was about survival, period. You also have only 100 rounds of ammo and enough food and water for a day or 2 at most. Which weapon would you bring?

I would have to go with something that can take a beating as it may be awhile. Simple to maintain and good for defense or hunting. I also want something light weight that will not waist to much ammo.

In the end I went with the lever 3030. It's light with a good rate of fire easily controlled and good for general defense or hunting.
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Well, I guess I voted wrong. I thought about self-defense, not hunting. So I voted Other: Shotgun. If I was thinking about hunting, then I'd take a rifle.
 
Blackdog said:
A s a disaster hit your area and it was about survival, period. You also have only 100 rounds of ammo and enough food and water for a day or 2 at most. Which weapon would you bring?

I would have to go with something that can take a beating as it may be awhile. Simple to maintain and good for defense or hunting. I also want something light weight that will not waist to much ammo.

In the end I went with the lever 3030. It's light with a good rate of fire easily controlled and good for general defense or hunting.
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Probably an AK47- it's takes a lickin and keeps on tickin. ;)
 
TurtleDude said:
A Red Jacket made AK 103 in 545X39

utterly reliable and that round is lighter in weight and recoil than the 762x39 and is far more lethal. It is also very accurate and can kill deer out to 300M reliably. with the sort of optics I would put on it, you can also make head shots at that distance if need be. shotgun ammo weighs far too much, lever actions are less reliable, and transfer far too much recoil. revolvers are a poor option when a rifle is available unless concealed carry is needed.
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Is it better then the 7.62x39 mm? Not for targets closer then 300 meters, but the flater trajectory and lesser bullet drop due too weight makes it better beyond 500 meters.
Is it better then the 7.62x51 mm? Not in any situation, other then you can carry twice the ammo for the same wieght.

Not a bad choice for long distance, but up close I have to disagree. You are not going to be sniping deer, lol.

I would still take my 3030 over that any day for a survival situation for many reasons.

If I was going to take an AK? It would be my 22" barrle Saiga .308. I have yet to be out shot with it. This does not say much, lol.
 
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I voted Other:Shotgun

I cede TD's point on the ammo weight, but the variety of ammo makes up for IMHO. I cannot reach out an touch someone/something with a shotgun like you can with the 3030, but a slug is accurate for a good distance. I can use #9 for birds, squirrels etc, and I can have 00 buck and or slugs for for bigger game.

You shoot a squirrel with a 3030, you have nothing left for your stew...
 
Blackdog said:
Is it better then the 7.62x39 mm? Not for targets closer then 300 meters, but the flater trajectory and lesser bullet drop due too weight makes it better beyond 500 meters.
Is it better then the 7.62x51 mm? Not in any situation, other then you can carry twice the ammo for the same wieght.

Not a bad choice for long distance, but up close I have to disagree. You are not going to be sniping deer, lol.

I would still take my 3030 over that any day for a survival situation for many reasons.
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well you said we only had two days supplies

you have your lever action and I my AK

when push comes to shove I am going to have whatever supplies you started with

and yes the 545 is better than the 762X39 at closer ranges

that is why the SOviets adopted it. because they realized at assault rifle ranges our 556 mm NATO was a better round than the COMBLOC 762x39

I own all three type of weapons in SEVERAL different configurations. I have AK and AR platforms in all three calibers. In fact I spent most of this morning shooting a 762X39 KRINKOV pattern Bulgarian ARSENAL. 3030 has a looping trajectory compared to the intermediate cartridges

and the wound channels of the 545x39 in the original soviet 53 grain Wasp bullets are outrageous. far worse than most of the 762 NATO stuff

where the 762 NATO is clearly better is past 600M

btw that is proven by the fact that the USAMU and the USMCST dropped the M14 rifles for the National Service Rifle championships (out to 600 yards) in favor of the 68 Grain 556 rounds
 
Chiefgator said:
I voted Other:Shotgun

I cede TD's point on the ammo weight, but the variety of ammo makes up for IMHO. I cannot reach out an touch someone/something with a shotgun like you can with the 3030, but a slug is accurate for a good distance. I can use #9 for birds, squirrels etc, and I can have 00 buck and or slugs for for bigger game.

You shoot a squirrel with a 3030, you have nothing left for your stew...
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I have some really good quality air rifles that will kill squirrels and birds, and since air rifles don't qualify as weapons, I didn't count them. :mrgreen:
 
Chiefgator said:
I voted Other:Shotgun

I cede TD's point on the ammo weight, but the variety of ammo makes up for IMHO. I cannot reach out an touch someone/something with a shotgun like you can with the 3030, but a slug is accurate for a good distance. I can use #9 for birds, squirrels etc, and I can have 00 buck and or slugs for for bigger game.

You shoot a squirrel with a 3030, you have nothing left for your stew...
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in a survival situation you'd trap squirrels or rabbits rather than shoot them. in a bird rich environment a shotgun could prove useful but carrying around that much ammo is tough

if you are stationary, the 100 round limit is artificial. Most of us who actually are serious have at least 1000 rounds for our SHTF guns.
 
Chiefgator said:
I voted Other:Shotgun

I cede TD's point on the ammo weight, but the variety of ammo makes up for IMHO. I cannot reach out an touch someone/something with a shotgun like you can with the 3030, but a slug is accurate for a good distance. I can use #9 for birds, squirrels etc, and I can have 00 buck and or slugs for for bigger game.

You shoot a squirrel with a 3030, you have nothing left for your stew...
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That's what the squirrel and possum traps are for, lol.
 
TurtleDude said:
in a survival situation you'd trap squirrels or rabbits rather than shoot them. in a bird rich environment a shotgun could prove useful but carrying around that much ammo is tough

if you are stationary, the 100 round limit is artificial. Most of us who actually are serious have at least 1000 rounds for our SHTF guns.
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Damn TD, beat me to it.
 
lizzie said:
I have some really good quality air rifles that will kill squirrels and birds, and since air rifles don't qualify as weapons, I didn't count them. :mrgreen:
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yeah we have a couple British Air ARMS PCPS with a couple extra hand pumps. 8 shot magazines-22 Caliber@1000 FPS. They will kill a grown coyote-I know, I have
 
Knife or other.

Here is the other:
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I'll take an AR-15, simple iron sights, fancy sights are nice until you need batteries or the thing breaks. And its a weapon I know how to use and the rounds are more common than anything except 9m and .22 I believe so hopefully there will be opportunities to salvage or trade for them
 
Das Sozialist said:
How would a weapon help you survive when a natural disaster hit?
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Hunting and self defense are the two most obvious reasons. Even if hunting wasn't an option like say being in the heart of New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, its still nice to have something for self defense while you work your way towards rescue.
 
DA60 said:
Knife or other.

Here is the other:
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I suspect that running one of those mothers by yourself would be rather taxing

Of course if you were being attacked by the Zulu Nation circa 1874 I suspect that sucker would be pure hell
 
TurtleDude said:
well if you have food and others don't the answer is obvious
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I always thought leaving the area would be easier than shooting someone, unless it was a flood/tsunami or something that made you unable to move.

Either way, I would carry a pistol, it doesn't draw as much attention as a rifle and is easily concealed.
 
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TurtleDude said:
well you said we only had two days supplies

you have your lever action and I my AK

when push comes to shove I am going to have whatever supplies you started with
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I doubt that. We are not running around with binoculars or scopes. So the effective range for line of site is about all you got. Open site at 100 yards, you are a tiny target. But at that range my hooded Marlin open site can do 5 round groupings you can put a quarter on. So going to have to disagree.

TurtleDude said:
and yes the 545 is better than the 762X39 at closer ranges

that is why the SOviets adopted it. because they realized at assault rifle ranges our 556 mm NATO was a better round than the COMBLOC 762x39
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In urban or jungle environments, the 7.62 not only bucks brush etc better, it hits harder.

TurtleDude said:
I own all three type of weapons in SEVERAL different configurations. I have AK and AR platforms in all three calibers. In fact I spent most of this morning shooting a 762X39 KRINKOV pattern Bulgarian ARSENAL. 3030 has a looping trajectory compared to the intermediate cartridges
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So have I including the Veper and an AKM. Admittedly I never owned one in 545.

TurtleDude said:
and the wound channels of the 545x39 in the original soviet 53 grain Wasp bullets are outrageous. far worse than most of the 762 NATO stuff

where the 762 NATO is clearly better is past 600M
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.308 is the finest combat round ever made. If it hits you anyplace you are out period. the next time that little 545 takes down a 500lb Elk, let me know. There is a reason they are illegal for dear hunting.

TurtleDude said:
btw that is proven by the fact that the USAMU and the USMCST dropped the M14 rifles for the National Service Rifle championships (out to 600 yards) in favor of the 68 Grain 556 rounds
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Again we are talking survival emergency situations. You are not going to have coated optics or anything even close. You have 100 rounds and the basic gun, that's it. Don't keep adding things in TD.
 
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Das Sozialist said:
I always thought leaving the area would be easier than shooting someone, unless it was a flood/tsunami or something that made you unable to move.
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In such as situation, it could be necessary to shoot in order to move out of the area. In a real disaster, people get pretty panicked and crazy, and a gun for self-defense is a must, especially in a high-population area.
 
The revolver. It is heavy (perfect for pistol whipping), powerful, and ammo efficient. Plus, in an apocalypse, it would give me an image as being lawful, powerful, and someone that should be followed. Furthermore, it would play to my fantasy of being a cowboy. I wouldn't use it for hunting as their would be no need. Me and my pack of loyal followers would ride our horses (or broom handles) into an abandoned grocery store and live there until the food is gone. Then we would just move on and eventually settle somewhere in the rural south and start a small farming community that will be the rebirth of America. That's just me though
 
lizzie said:
In such as situation, it could be necessary to shoot in order to move out of the area. In a real disaster, people get pretty panicked and crazy, and a gun for self-defense is a must, especially in a high-population area.
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Being armed would bring more attention to yourself, wouldn't it? If someone sees that you're armed, they're going to think you have something to defend/hide.
 
Das Sozialist said:
I always thought leaving the area would be easier than shooting someone, unless it was a flood/tsunami or something that made you unable to move.
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Well lets be clear, we aren't talking about going all Mad Max Road Warrior here. If we're talking about a natural disaster survivor situation here, then odds are you won't need to blast your way out of any situation and if you're smart and not completely unlucky you won't need to use your weapon at all. The weapon isn't to allow you to pick fights, that kind of thing is almost always completely unnecessary or not worth the risk for whatever you reward you may get out of it, its to protect yourself.

In a natural disaster you know for a fact that help is coming, if you're in an urban area food may be an issue if your pantry happens to be completely empty and salvage isn't an option. So your first and only goal should be to make your way to a rescue facility with some basic supplies for your trip depending on how long it may be, not to pick fights with people.
 
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