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Thread: True American Empire Scenario

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    True American Empire Scenario

    Imagine 25 years from now that an American corporation controls a monopoly of foreign supply chains for a vital American consumer good.

    This corporation then issues the American government the following message:

    "Either you change your way of living to fit our standards, or we will embargo you."


    For sake of argument, let's assume enough adaptation time is given, but it's not long enough for military preemption.

    America refuses to adapt, and decides on military retaliation instead. The corporation threatens to implode 100% of its facilities if any retaliation is organized. If the supply chain implodes, it will devastate America so badly that it will have to resort to martial law in order to prevent anarchy.

    Would you support the corporation or the military?

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    You're ceding control to tyrannical authority either way. The consequences are much less severe going with the corporation (presuming "changing your way of living" doesn't involve inconveniences worse than the loss of the consumer good and anarchy). However, military intervention allows some possibility of return of popular sovereignty, since it is our government that institutes it and presumably would have some mechanism to return society to civilian control.

    Of course General Ironass might decide he likes all the power and pull a Caesar. With the economy in a shambles, only military members would be guaranteed a paycheck, and that's a mighty powerful way to buy loyalty.

    Corporations are answerable to shareholders primarily and to consumers marginally, and to neither not at all.

    I'd roll the dice and support the military. At least there's a chance that we could have a free nation after the smoke clears.
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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    I'd like to support neither and think that Judiciary or Banking actions could solve the problem. Since the "Corporate" motivation is simply and clearly the "bottom line," profit is the name of the game, and some military actually wish to serve their Country, then I would be forced to support the Military. In many ways, our Country is already in this trap and the "too big to fail" quote comes to mind. Pull the chain on the banks and flush 'em, don't you think?

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    You're ceding control to tyrannical authority either way. The consequences are much less severe going with the corporation (presuming "changing your way of living" doesn't involve inconveniences worse than the loss of the consumer good and anarchy). However, military intervention allows some possibility of return of popular sovereignty, since it is our government that institutes it and presumably would have some mechanism to return society to civilian control.
    I'm not really sure about this. This is a multinational corporation where America has no sovereignty. The government shouldn't be simply allowed to expropriate private assets.

    Of course General Ironass might decide he likes all the power and pull a Caesar. With the economy in a shambles, only military members would be guaranteed a paycheck, and that's a mighty powerful way to buy loyalty.
    That's... something I didn't think about, hmmm. You could actually see the corporation and military on the same side. The corporation demands certain standards, the military lets things go, and the standards take over nonetheless.

    Corporations are answerable to shareholders primarily and to consumers marginally, and to neither not at all.

    I'd roll the dice and support the military. At least there's a chance that we could have a free nation after the smoke clears.
    What if the corporation stood for freedom?

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I'd like to support neither and think that Judiciary or Banking actions could solve the problem. Since the "Corporate" motivation is simply and clearly the "bottom line," profit is the name of the game, and some military actually wish to serve their Country, then I would be forced to support the Military. In many ways, our Country is already in this trap and the "too big to fail" quote comes to mind. Pull the chain on the banks and flush 'em, don't you think?
    ...so you'd support banking actions, but not the corporation?

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    None of the above, of course - why is this missing in so many polls ??
    Corporations are more likely to go "bad", than is the military, but world history has taught us that either are possible..
    The size of banks must be controlled , somehow....We cannot have a banks failure causing our nation to "go under".

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    None of the above, of course - why is this missing in so many polls ??
    Sometimes, life doesn't give us a choice.

    Corporations are more likely to go "bad", than is the military, but world history has taught us that either are possible..
    The size of banks must be controlled , somehow....We cannot have a banks failure causing our nation to "go under".
    ...so if the corporation supported feminist, multiculturalist, and environmentalist agendas, you still wouldn't trust it?

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    This is a multinational corporation where America has no sovereignty. The government shouldn't be simply allowed to expropriate private assets.
    An embargo can be considered an act of war if the trade product is vital to the survival of the country in question. Whether its a corporation doing it or a country makes no difference...dead is dead.

    What if the corporation stood for freedom?
    Embargoing a product to force change in a society seems the antithesis of freedom to me.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Sometimes, life doesn't give us a choice.
    Amen. "freedom" = lulz.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    An embargo can be considered an act of war if the trade product is vital to the survival of the country in question. Whether its a corporation doing it or a country makes no difference...dead is dead.



    Embargoing a product to force change in a society seems the antithesis of freedom to me.
    Are you saying we shouldn't have free markets because some producers are vital for other consumers?

    That sounds like slavery. People who are born with talents would be obligated to serve those with needs.

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