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Thread: True American Empire Scenario

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

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    And you sound whipped.
    Whipped from what and how do I sound whipped?
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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    This seems naive. Many electronics and raw materials for electronics are imported from abroad.
    The military isn't going to have to declare martial law because there is a shortage of consumer electronics for a few months.

    This also seems naive. Lots of American culture revolves around bashing America from the inside out.

    Putting these two things together, it would be easy to foresee an Asian syndicate or conglomerate pulling strings on American imports. India is the first country which comes to mind considering that it cooperates with Iran, is familiar with tremendous amounts of American Air Force and Small Arms industry, and is needed by the U.S. to counterbalance China. Indian free labor also displaces American engineering since we lag behind in STEM education.
    That is meaningless. You didn't address my point at all, namely that employees have no reason to follow orders from suicidal bosses. Not blowing up the workplace not only keeps you alive, but only insures steady employment.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Whipped from what and how do I sound whipped?
    Read your post with an open mind...for there lies your answer

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    True, but I had to lay out some boundries. In the current evolution of capitalism in the U.S., I feel that a powerful corporation would simply buy compliance from the government, not threaten an embargo (or elect their own man as president to do their bidding for them, such as, oh, I don't know, say a Wall Street venture capitalist, for example ).
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    There comes a point where even buying governments doesn't get you what you want.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The military isn't going to have to declare martial law because there is a shortage of consumer electronics for a few months.
    The military has no jurisdiction or authority on American soil. If you mean the National Guard, then it is also an unlikely and impossible scenario because their jurisdictions and authority can't go beyond state borders. America would simply be ****ed and we would have only our "representatives" in Washington and the many lawyers and judges around the nation to thank for it.
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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Read your post with an open mind...for there lies your answer
    Or you could be a man and explain your statement. Am I whipped because I have no faith in the illusion of a benevolent corporation? Am I whipped because I know the oath of our military? Am I whipped because I know the truth about the average American citizen? Am I whipped because I know enough not to get caught up in the doomsday America theme going on in our ignorant country? And what does whipped mean anyway?

    Or were you unable to explain your statement without my help?
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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    This is a stupid "what if." Corporations don't stand for freedom unless we speak only of free enterprise. They stand for profit. But monopolies are good for business according to dimwitted CEOs and accountants who don't understand the necessity for healthy competition. And monopolies rely upon total control.....much like a dictatorship. Now...find a corporation that stands for freedom.
    Don't get me wrong. I don't necessarily think corporations are the good guys. For example, modern business benefits from the feminist and multiculturalist expansion of the labor supply. The labor supply is also diluted into stupidity from the decay of organic social values in favor of these superficial ideas.

    A corporation that demanded that America become strictly feminist and multicultural would not stand for freedom.

    Our military does not exist for the citizen. It exists to defend a piece of paper, which expresses a presciption for an ideal. "To Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States." Not a government. Not a citizen. By virtue of association the government and the citizen benefits from this ideology even as the common citizen mocks the patriotism and the ideology of the military. And don't most Americans hate ideologists now?
    I'm not familiar with military personnel supporting ideologues either. They're typically pragmatic folk who, yes, surrender to protect the very people who mock them.

    My concern is that the military is likewise being indoctrinated by feminism and multiculturalism such that certain people are defaulted to join the military as a self-fulfilling prophecy. They're expected to protect the very people who rejected them.

    The entire scenario is stupid. One only has to understand America's position in the world to know that. Don't surrender your intelligence to the world's fantasy of us. Cultural dynamism is what made us powerful. The freedom to create is why we hold over 80 percent of the global patents in the futures most likely sciences (bio and nano). But by all means, be scared of the diode that China puts in your TV remote. People often get caught bogging themselves in the now and the deny themselves the capacity to understand our history and the future.

    You sound petrified.
    Society and technology are substitutes. When society alienates us, we consume technology.

    I worry that the military is becoming so obsessed with technological advantage that it's forgetting about the morale which provides for it.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Or you could be a man and explain your statement. Am I whipped because I have no faith in the illusion of a benevolent corporation? Am I whipped because I know oath of our military? Am I whipped because I know the truth about the average American citizen? Am I whipped because I know enough not to get caught up iin the doomsday America theme going on in our ignorant country? And what does whipped mean anyway?

    Man time.
    Lol...your funny.

    I am less of a man because I do not do as you request?

    Actually, it's the opposite.

    Hopefully, one day you'll learn that.


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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The military isn't going to have to declare martial law because there is a shortage of consumer electronics for a few months.

    That is meaningless. You didn't address my point at all, namely that employees have no reason to follow orders from suicidal bosses. Not blowing up the workplace not only keeps you alive, but only insures steady employment.
    A multinational corporation with a multicultural workforce would eagerly implode its workplace in order to deter American Exceptionalism.

    If anything, it would relocate investment towards host countries, and disconnect cultural imperialism.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    I'm not familiar with military personnel supporting ideologues either. They're typically pragmatic folk who, yes, surrender to protect the very people who mock them.
    Then you aren't familiar at all. The Constitution stands for an ideal. The oath taken by all military personnel is to support this ideal. When military personnel salute and stand at attention it is not just because they are programmed robots. It's to pay respect to that ideal. When military personnel get out after only 1 contract and then get license plates with their service branch emblem on it, it is to show their pride. This pride isn't just because they wore the game jersey of their High School. It's to show that they did their part for the American ideal.

    "Defending America" has been very distinct in our history. In the immediate, it is easy to see retaliation after 9/11 and Pearl Harbor. It is easy to see the War of 1812 and the American Revolution. But what about the wealth of other assignments? What about the Barbary Pirates Wars? The Spanish-American War? World War I? World War II in Europe? Iraq? And all the other in betweens? Our military has stood to preserve our nations ability to meet the boast of our idealistic Constitution. We have preserved our ability to conduct trades and to build. We have encouraged democracy around the globe because it makes it easier to be a democracy. There have been over 120 democracies created since 1900. Our way of life defies history's prescription on how to organize people and how to rule them. Our survival and ability to grow depended on foriegn entanglements that would see entire regions preserve the historical tyrannical trend. Why else do you think we care about democracy in the Middle East.....the last region on earth that defies the future?

    Our military is very much about ideology and everything that goes in to preserving it. Don't confuse the idiot soldier for the institution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    My concern is that the military is likewise being indoctrinated by feminism and multiculturalism such that certain people are defaulted to join the military as a self-fulfilling prophecy. They're expected to protect the very people who rejected them.
    This is the path our nation took circa Vietnam, when it decided that our history of military work abroad has and will always be about more than immediate retaliation. It's worse now because the Leftist dogs of that era are today's teacher, lawyers, judges, and politicians. People want to preach about purity and utopia and sacrifice anything to get it while forgetting that the 20th century proved that Leftists can't do it without slaughtering hundreds of millions of people in the process. American Lefitists who have nothing else to bitch about (gay rights is a pathetic attempt to re-create their fight against the man) pretend that they can somehow borrow the prescriptions of Mao and Stalin without the stigma and blood soaked earth it produced. The idea that democracy in another region doesn't matter to America's security has been indoctrinated by univeristy professors and parents who preach that it is silly to be proud of your country; even disgraceful. People who have never served and has never seen what it takes to make sure that Wal-Mart shelf is stocked or those Chinese goods make it past piracy and war torn regions, pretend that its all by magic and we have no business anywhere unless we get punched in the face first (9/11 and Pearl Harbor).


    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    I worry that the military is becoming so obsessed with technological advantage that it's forgetting about the morale which provides for it.
    The military is not obsessed with it. The Defense Industry is. The military knows that the four man Fire Team wins wars. The Defense Industry simply wants to keep making toys we don't need or use to feed their bank accounts. And when politicians are put to the task of weeding this problem out they simply protect the thousands of jobs the Defense Industry provides in their individual states. Thus the circle goes round and round. Ever wonder why the F/A-22 Program conitnued to get billions ans billions of dollars even as our troops went to Afghanistan and Iraq with duct tape on their NBC suits and no body armor? It's because when politicians "cut defense" they are literally cutting the defense...not the corporations they protect. There's no money or jobs in creating body armor when compared to flying toys that has't been used since 9/11.

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