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Thread: True American Empire Scenario

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    The entire scenario is completely absurd. The only consumer good that is both absolutely vital and has incredibly limited supply is oil. Oil is a nationalized resource and it would be impossible for a single corporation to gain total supply. The U.S. also has the strategic oil reserve just in case.

    There is absolutely no motive for why the corporate leadership would want to commit suicide and destroy the united states. Employees work a paycheck, they aren't going to commit treason because their boss asks them to.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The entire scenario is completely absurd. The only consumer good that is both absolutely vital and has incredibly limited supply is oil. Oil is a nationalized resource and it would be impossible for a single corporation to gain total supply. The U.S. also has the strategic oil reserve just in case.
    This seems naive. Many electronics and raw materials for electronics are imported from abroad.

    There is absolutely no motive for why the corporate leadership would want to commit suicide and destroy the united states. Employees work a paycheck, they aren't going to commit treason because their boss asks them to.
    This also seems naive. Lots of American culture revolves around bashing America from the inside out.

    Putting these two things together, it would be easy to foresee an Asian syndicate or conglomerate pulling strings on American imports. India is the first country which comes to mind considering that it cooperates with Iran, is familiar with tremendous amounts of American Air Force and Small Arms industry, and is needed by the U.S. to counterbalance China. Indian free labor also displaces American engineering since we lag behind in STEM education.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    You're assuming the ultimate evolution has already been reached. For example, this event could be the final phase. [...]
    True, but I had to lay out some boundries. In the current evolution of capitalism in the U.S., I feel that a powerful corporation would simply buy compliance from the government, not threaten an embargo (or elect their own man as president to do their bidding for them, such as, oh, I don't know, say a Wall Street venture capitalist, for example ).

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    I would support neither.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    You're essentially supporting Imperialism either way. I would remain neutral, not throwing my support behind either of them.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    A free market just means respecting freedom of assembly. As long as every acquisition and transfer was reliable, monopolies are permitted.



    Well yea, I agree. Most people don't appreciate freedom unless it makes them laugh.
    The concept of freedom is laughable. From your own statements no one is free, since no one chose to be born. Life is shot through with obligations unless one chooses to go Kaczynski, so why should government not reflect society?

    When people aren't laughing, they don't feel free and become willing sadists.
    If they are traumatized, yes. I hardly think that social constraints are in and of themselves traumatic.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The entire scenario is completely absurd. The only consumer good that is both absolutely vital and has incredibly limited supply is oil. Oil is a nationalized resource and it would be impossible for a single corporation to gain total supply. The U.S. also has the strategic oil reserve just in case.

    There is absolutely no motive for why the corporate leadership would want to commit suicide and destroy the united states. Employees work a paycheck, they aren't going to commit treason because their boss asks them to.
    I'd commit 'treason' in a millisecond if I thought it was the righteous thing to do.

    I have near ZERO loyalty to my country - my loyalty is to my ideals.

    I decide what is right/wrong - not my 'country'.

    Only the weak and/or the ignorant do what they are told without question.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    [...] Putting these two things together, it would be easy to foresee an Asian syndicate or conglomerate pulling strings on American imports. India is the first country which comes to mind considering that it cooperates with Iran, is familiar with tremendous amounts of American Air Force and Small Arms industry, and is needed by the U.S. to counterbalance China. Indian free labor also displaces American engineering since we lag behind in STEM education.
    India Inc's most powerful CEOs 2012: Global Indian Business Leaders - The Economic Times links to the 10 most powerful CEO's in India. Those CEO's are employed by: PepsiCo, Google, Citigroup, Unilever, Deutsche Bank, Berkshire Hathaway, Adobe, and Reckitt Benckiser. None of those companies, all of whom are either American, British, or German are likely to embargo America for any reason.

    As I stated previously, corporations pretty much run the world today. They don't need to coerce governments; they simply buy them.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post

    What if the corporation stood for freedom?
    This is a stupid "what if." Corporations don't stand for freedom unless we speak only of free enterprise. They stand for profit. But monopolies are good for business according to dimwitted CEOs and accountants who don't understand the necessity for healthy competition. And monopolies rely upon total control.....much like a dictatorship. Now...find a corporation that stands for freedom.

    Our military does not exist for the citizen. It exists to defend a piece of paper, which expresses a presciption for an ideal. "To Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States." Not a government. Not a citizen. By virtue of association the government and the citizen benefits from this ideology even as the common citizen mocks the patriotism and the ideology of the military. And don't most Americans hate ideologists now?

    The entire scenario is stupid. One only has to understand America's position in the world to know that. Don't surrender your intelligence to the world's fantasy of us. Cultural dynamism is what made us powerful. The freedom to create is why we hold over 80 percent of the global patents in the futures most likely sciences (bio and nano). But by all means, be scared of the diode that China puts in your TV remote. People often get caught bogging themselves in the now and the deny themselves the capacity to understand our history and the future.

    You sound petrified.
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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    This is a stupid "what if." Corporations don't stand for freedom unless we speak only of free enterprise. They stand for profit. But monopolies are good for business. And monopolies rely upon total control.....much like a dictatorship. Find a corporation that stands for freedom.

    Our military does not exist for the citizen. It exists to defend a piece of paper, which expresses a presciption for an ideal. "To Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States." Not a government. Not a citizen. By virtue of association the government and the citizen benefits from this ideology even as the common citizen mocks the patriotism and the ideology of the military. And don't most Americans hate ideologists now?

    The entire scenario is stupid. One only has to understand America's position in the world to know that. Don't surrender your intelligence to the world's fantasy of us. Cultural dynamism is what made us powerful. The freedom to create is why we hold over 80 percent of the global patents in the futures most likely science (bio and nano). But by all means, be scared of the diode that China puts in your TV remote. People often get caught bogging themselves in the now and the deny themselves the capacity to understand our history and the future.

    You sound petrified.
    And you sound whipped.

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