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Thread: True American Empire Scenario

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    I would support the military if it supports our interests. In your given scenario, it seems like the American military and government, still a force for the American public, are being given the ultimatum by a group that has yet to prove itself worthy of any interest but its own. That being said, I do not see a corporation so dramatically and carelessly removing its own facilities.
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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    [...] Would you support the corporation or the military?
    In the ultimate evolution of capitalism, the corporation controls the government, and therefore the military.

    In the ultimate evolution of socialism, the government (metaphorically speaking, at least) controls the corporations.

    Therefore your premise is unfounded.

    But to answer it regardless, I would support whomever I judged to be right. Keeping in mind that the gov't could be the bad guy in your scenario...

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    The military. **** corporations.


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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I would support the military if it supports our interests. In your given scenario, it seems like the American military and government, still a force for the American public, are being given the ultimatum by a group that has yet to prove itself worthy of any interest but its own. That being said, I do not see a corporation so dramatically and carelessly removing its own facilities.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The military. **** corporations.
    Therefore, you would support imperialism because the corporation exists outside American borders?

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    In the ultimate evolution of capitalism, the corporation controls the government, and therefore the military.

    In the ultimate evolution of socialism, the government (metaphorically speaking, at least) controls the corporations.

    Therefore your premise is unfounded.
    You're assuming the ultimate evolution has already been reached. For example, this event could be the final phase.

    But to answer it regardless, I would support whomever I judged to be right. Keeping in mind that the gov't could be the bad guy in your scenario...
    Yes, I agree. A corporation could endorse proper social reform, and the government could oppose it out of nationalism.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Therefore, you would support imperialism because the corporation exists outside American borders?
    Was that question to me, as well?
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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Therefore, you would support imperialism because the corporation exists outside American borders?
    Well there was no "Other" choice...


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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Are you saying we shouldn't have free markets because some producers are vital for other consumers?
    In your scenario, the corporation has a monopoly. Monopoly isn't free market, is it?

    That sounds like slavery. People who are born with talents would be obligated to serve those with needs.
    Mothers take care of babies. And it goes from there.

    I say again, "freedom" = lulz, at least the way most people mean it. Particularly in the academic sense you seem to be using.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    In your scenario, the corporation has a monopoly. Monopoly isn't free market, is it?
    A free market just means respecting freedom of assembly. As long as every acquisition and transfer was reliable, monopolies are permitted.

    Mothers take care of babies. And it goes from there.

    I say again, "freedom" = lulz, at least the way most people mean it. Particularly in the academic sense you seem to be using.
    Well yea, I agree. Most people don't appreciate freedom unless it makes them laugh.

    When people aren't laughing, they don't feel free and become willing sadists.

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    Re: True American Empire Scenario

    Send Seal Team 6 to assassinate the corporations board.

    Or a crack team of call-girl assassins.

    I would choose the military as they are at least nominally under the peoples control.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
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