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Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

Will Ryan as VP help or hurt Romney win election?

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randel said:
correct turtle, the act of death is not taxed, i'm glad to see you have finally seen the error of your ways...if the act of death is not taxed, then there can be no 'death tax'....
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Just like the act of income is not taxed so its not an income tax right?
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Anybody who wants to destroy medicare/medicaid will never help. He is too punky to run. He used to get away with a lot of bs now he has to face the people who wrote the book of bs
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Or we can just let medicare/medicaid destroy us, which one's it gonna be? That's the decision that needs to be made. And whether you agree with the guy or not, at least he's not scared to throw the Golden Calf that is medicare on the table. Its better than the budget that the Senate presented.......oh wait........no it's better than the one President Obama's team came up with..........oh wait it didn't even make throught the Dem controlled Senate. As it is, the budget Ryan proposed is the ONLY one that has passed muster in either the House, Senate, or executive branch since President Obama took it over. But the House is the do nothing portion of Congress according to the libs:roll:
 
randel said:
because it is not a tax on your death
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You guys still talking about the death tax? Maybe if you are so concerned about fraudulent names for things, you might turn your attention to the Affordable Care Act.
 
from Lachean

More people understand death than those who understand what constitutes an estate. No one is calling anything something that its not, except your lot who'd use prefer to use a term fewer people will get.
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this is from the Wikipedia article (previously cited and linked) on the Estate tax in the USA


Well-known Republican pollster Frank Luntz wrote that the term "death tax" "kindled voter resentment in a way that 'inheritance tax' and 'estate tax' do not"

No mind reading is necessary. It is clear beyond doubt that Luntz is willing to employ a dishonest label because it culls resentment among the very citizenry that he would need to further the repeal of the inheritance tax.
 
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haymarket said:
Do you even read the words you write and think if they make sense?
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LOL, I figured you would respond with something like this. You always do when you're stumped.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Or we can just let medicare/medicaid destroy us, which one's it gonna be? That's the decision that needs to be made. And whether you agree with the guy or not, at least he's not scared to throw the Golden Calf that is medicare on the table. Its better than the budget that the Senate presented.......oh wait........no it's better than the one President Obama's team came up with..........oh wait it didn't even make throught the Dem controlled Senate. As it is, the budget Ryan proposed is the ONLY one that has passed muster in either the House, Senate, or executive branch since President Obama took it over. But the House is the do nothing portion of Congress according to the libs:roll:
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What about the unpaid war? You want to hide from it, don't you? medicare saves peoples lives war takes them. At least medicare pays as it goes.

Where is your morality lie? with the gods of war?

How conveinent it is to kill harmless people. Do s your conscience bother you?
 
MarineTpartier said:
LOL, I figured you would respond with something like this. You always do when you're stumped.
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So the obvious answer is NO you do not think about what you just wrote.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
What about the unpaid war? You want to hide from it, don't you? medicare saves peoples lives war takes them. At least medicare pays as it goes.

Where is your morality lie? with the gods of war?

How conveinent it is to kill harmless people. Do s your conscience bother you?
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LOL, you have no idea who you're talking to. There are quite a few people on this site, of the total opposite end of the political spectrum, that would vouch for my anti-war stance. Also, I've never killed a harmless person. Seeing as how it's obvious you don't know how the COIN environment works, you should probably keep your uneducated opinion to yourself. There are very few instances in the current wars we have fought where an American servicemember can take the first shot without a definite threat to him such as a weapon pointed at him, etc. My conscience is clear bro. So, are you going to dispute my previous post or just spew forth more vitriol to hide the fact that you don't know what you're talking about?
 
MarineTpartier said:
LOL, you have no idea who you're talking to. There are quite a few people on this site, of the total opposite end of the political spectrum, that would vouch for my anti-war stance. Also, I've never killed a harmless person. Seeing as how it's obvious you don't know how the COIN environment works, you should probably keep your uneducated opinion to yourself. There are very few instances in the current wars we have fought where an American servicemember can take the first shot without a definite threat to him such as a weapon pointed at him, etc. My conscience is clear bro. So, are you going to dispute my previous post or just spew forth more vitriol to hide the fact that you don't know what you're talking about?
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You claim to be anti war but you do nothing about it and don't want it discussed as a campaign issue. There is a name for a person like that and it begins with an n
 
haymarket said:
from Lachean





this is from the Wikipedia article (previously cited and linked) on the Estate tax in the USA


Well-known Republican pollster Frank Luntz wrote that the term "death tax" "kindled voter resentment in a way that 'inheritance tax' and 'estate tax' do not"

No mind reading is necessary. It is clear beyond doubt that Luntz is willing to employ a dishonest label because it culls resentment among the very citizenry that he would need to further the repeal of the inheritance tax.
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why is "estate tax" honest and death tax dishonest?
 
TurtleDude said:
why is "estate tax" honest and death tax dishonest?
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Since we have been through this literally hundreds of times in thread after thread after thread, read it for yourself in this article which explains both for you

Estate tax in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The estate tax in the United States is a tax imposed on the transfer of the "taxable estate" of a deceased person, whether such property is transferred via a will, according to the state laws of intestacy or otherwise made as an incident of the death of the owner, such as a transfer of property from an intestate estate or trust, or the payment of certain life insurance benefits or financial account sums to beneficiaries. The estate tax is one part of the Unified Gift and Estate Tax system in the United States. The other part of the system, thegift tax, imposes a tax on transfers of property during a person's life; the gift tax prevents avoidance of the estate tax should a person want to give away his/her estate.
In addition to the federal government, many states also impose an estate tax, with the state version called either an estate tax or an inheritance tax. Since the 1990s, opponents of the tax have used the pejorative term "death tax".[SUP][1][/SUP] The equivalent tax in the United Kingdom has always been referred to as "inheritance tax".
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and the death tax

Political use of "death tax" as a synonym for "estate tax" was encouraged by Jack Faris of the National Federation of Independent Business[47] during the Speakership of Newt Gingrich.
Well-known Republican pollster Frank Luntz wrote that the term "death tax" "kindled voter resentment in a way that 'inheritance tax' and 'estate tax' do not".[48]
Linguist George Lakoff states that the term "death tax" is a deliberate and carefully calculated neologism used as a propaganda tactic to aid in efforts to repeal estate taxes. The use of "death tax" rather than "estate tax" in the wording of questions in the 2002 National Election Survey increased support for estate tax repeal by only a few percentage points.[49]
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Every word above has been reproduced scores of times for you.
 
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"Estate Tax" is the proper official name.

"Death Tax", while not wholly incorrect, is a manufactured interpretation purposely intended to paint the tax in a negative light.

Not that any tax is positive, but still...
 
Here is some good stuff about paul ryan by michael. Paul ryan loves "rage against the machine" and romney says that we have had the middle class too long

Welcome to MichaelMoore.com good free music too even for the political hacks
 
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LiberalAvenger said:
You claim to be anti war but you do nothing about it and don't want it discussed as a campaign issue. There is a name for a person like that and it begins with an n
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So I should do what about it? Go up to Capital Hill and jump on someone's desk? You want to discuss foreign policy, discuss it. Don't just act as though I've been avoiding the topic when the topic has never been brought up to begin with. Or did you just think I was avoiding it and digital diarrhea that thought onto this thread?
 
MarineTpartier said:
So I should do what about it? Go up to Capital Hill and jump on someone's desk? You want to discuss foreign policy, discuss it. Don't just act as though I've been avoiding the topic when the topic has never been brought up to begin with. Or did you just think I was avoiding it and digital diarrhea that thought onto this thread?
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I musst have missed it but what did you say that hasn't already been rode into the ground?say something that did not come from the t party handbook.
 
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LiberalAvenger said:
I musst have missed it but what did you say that hasn't already been rode into the ground?say something that did not come from the t party handbook.
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And type something with proper grammar, spacing, and capitalization so its coherent guy. Again, you avoid debate because you have no point. Just flapping those gums.
 
I didn't read the thread, but I voted "hurt "Romney". Ryan's budget is ridiculous, most people should be against it. Ryan will help Romney with his base, big deal, they weren't going to vote for Obama. Ryan will hurt with independent voters I think, he is positioned too far right. This shows Romney has sold out to the Koch brothers and the tea party, and we can't give govt. to one side again, esp. the repubs that screwed the nation under Bush.
 
MarineTpartier said:
And type something with proper grammar, spacing, and capitalization so its coherent guy. Again, you avoid debate because you have no point. Just flapping those gums.
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You sound like a mean librarian. It's my little tiny computer. I haven't gotten used to it. Don't be so prissy..
 
finebead said:
I didn't read the thread, but I voted "hurt "Romney". Ryan's budget is ridiculous, most people should be against it. Ryan will help Romney with his base, big deal, they weren't going to vote for Obama. Ryan will hurt with independent voters I think, he is positioned too far right. This shows Romney has sold out to the Koch brothers and the tea party, and we can't give govt. to one side again, esp. the repubs that screwed the nation under Bush.
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I think all of us can agree that this Republican party is not the one that served under Bush. It may even have some of the same people, but my beloved Tea Party has scared them straight. The funny thing is, you point the finger at Republicans under Bush yet the policies they were pushing were simply President Obama-lite policies. Bush bailed people out. Obama bailed more people out. Bush killed terrorists without approval. Obama kills terrorists AND Americans without approval. Bush opened Guantanamo. Obama kept it open AND built them a soccer field. Bush increased the debt. Obama almost doubled it.
 
MarineTpartier said:
I think all of us can agree that this Republican party is not the one that served under Bush. It may even have some of the same people, but my beloved Tea Party has scared them straight. The funny thing is, you point the finger at Republicans under Bush yet the policies they were pushing were simply President Obama-lite policies. Bush bailed people out. Obama bailed more people out. Bush killed terrorists without approval. Obama kills terrorists AND Americans without approval. Bush opened Guantanamo. Obama kept it open AND built them a soccer field. Bush increased the debt. Obama almost doubled it.
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"scared them straight" You T's are living an illusion. I have not heard them in the news for a year . [rip] Look at your avatar with the gun playing badass.Is that all you got lol.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
I think all of us can agree that this Republican party is not the one that served under Bush.
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this current visage of the GOP is nothing like any previous version of it. It was hijacked by a combination of right wing think tanks, libertarians who realized they would never have success under their own label, Grover Norquist, the Koch Brothers and the tea party yahoos. And the Boehners of this world laid back figuring they would enjoy the ride and now they are screwed.

The selection of Ryan only confirms this.

btw - has anybody figured out which "inner cities" Ryan represents? He mentioned this yesterday and a map of his district reveals no such thing.

“I represent a part of America that includes inner cities, rural areas, suburbs, and factory towns.
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